faithefin :

So I guess at this point, we just assume we lost our money, right?

Exactly. But just don't say it's a scam, let's say DTP broke. Remember day trading will always be risky. It's profitable, but one losing and you may lose everything.

Hello Alex,
Here's my questions.

1. Is there any plan for a debit card?
2. How much capital they have?
3. Can investors have a look at their legal documents?

That's it.

jinnu :

One of my contracts got matured on 7th this month. I requested to load the profit to my debit card the same day. I could login to my debit card details yesterday.( it takes 24-72 hrs to load money into the debitcard).After changing passwords, i tried to withdraw and it was SUCCESSFUL. I have withdrawn currency equivalent to $495.00. I hope this will clears doubts about the debit card to some extent.

Hey jinnu,
Which website are you logging on for the card? Is it Tradelite or the card website? Can you tell me the url?

If the stoic still standing after March 2009, I think I'll get in with $12,000

Think like the hacker, you'll know it.

First the hacker open a safeatom account, then he set your account. He invest with your money, your account. Then he change his own account to his safeatom account.

Or like code said, anyone can register LR account with any username.

Wenbo :

i tried to call their listed Tel (Asia/Pacific) three times, but never get through. I am sure this a tel number is from Shanghai, China(I myself was from that city). Do anyone have experience with their tel? I am still watching this one and also the panamoney.

wenbo

What number are you calling? Are you sure it is correct?

Hey happysmart. The another 600 days are gone for planning. A program like Largesum is a serious one. No pyramid could last more than 1 year or 17 months. Largesum lasted 3 years. It's not a company I think, but are involved in real trading or some others like Forex or commodities.

So, like you said this forum is for Tradelite. I too, will stop here.

Check this up guys. Looks potential.

Yoman, first would you give away your personal details? You asked Neil about it. Why don't you tell me your personal details instead?

Yoman, or anyone else involved in this "discussion" I'll just state something here to support the right side.

HYIP is originally legitimate investment program, which is a long time ago Yoman. Now HYIP are mixed up. HYIP today are involved in any of the categories below:

1. Stock trading only.
2. Forex only.
3. Pyramid.
4. Commodities trading.
5. Gambling. (Yes, they used our money gambling in casino.)
6. Mixed. (Pyramid + Another category.)

HYIP is a good place to make money, IF you are good enough in spotting the right one at the right time. This is NOT bingo. You need the following:

1. Luck.
2. Big capital, but invest small.
3. Never take it too seriously.
4. Observation skills, logical thinking.

Take it too seriously, and you'll end up with no earnings or lose everything. For Yoman, it's no earnings. For the rest who believed too much, lose everything sooner or later. HYIP is a game, yes. I don't agree with 99% luck though. It's 70% luck, the rest is your logical thinking and your observation skills.

Alot of investors including Proof and the others are raking alot of profits out of HYIP. Why? Simply because they know what is HYIP, they know the right timing. Even if they lose, they can cover up the bad investment with the good one in their portfolio and still earn money.

Some of you may laugh at the word "investment" that I used. But believe me, it's the same. Putting your money to work for more money IS investment.

To Yoman, you are not suitable in HYIP. Go find the real company, it's almost impossible to find a company with no problems in HYIP. As long as they pay, they are ok to go. All HYIP, be it real, fake, pyramid or anything, they will fall at some point. Even DTP was killed by the problems they're having. DTP involved in real trading, but since they're day traders they have risk, and there it go "HYIP".

That is HYIP, from my point of view. Correct me if I'm wrong.

karita :

I will also agree with you. After 2 weeks no news, and I also believe that Chris did not have an accident, that was a good tactic. Chris was very responsible and he was the IT specialist and the Traders or whoever that was responsable for DTP wanted to leave us elegantly using this excuse.
Once more we have being betrayed from these ONLINE Gangsters. I personally have enough of this and would never invest one penny without seeing the person in his eyes, knowing his address, tel, email, fax, etc. etc and even copy of his passport. Otherwise we are playing BINGO or we are in a CASINO without seeing with whom we are playing.
This is it and I hope we can stop giving away our money and stop gambling online.
It is sad, all I can say to you is lets please lets use our Wisdom!

I don't think so. I think they have some really bad trades. Chris involving in accident, Altergold panic, e-Bullion crushed, banning of short-selling. All these are enough to bring DTP down. If that's a tactic they're using, why use that? They already know people won't invest large sum unless they start to pay the e-Bullion balance into another. If that was a tactic, what for? If they want scam, then scam. A pyramid is impossible to stand more than 365 days. There must be real trading involve to get DTP through 365 days.

If they really want to leave us using an excuse, I can tell you that they do not even need to do that. Real scammers leave in 24 hours. For SaInv, that giant is merely trying to get money. But DTP had that 600 days record, it can not be pyramid.

Remember, the ban of short-selling started only after DTP down. After a few days, you can see your browser found the server, which isn't completely on yet. That's when DTP was about to get online. But after the ban of short-selling, they turn off everything. Clearly losing alot of money.

I do hope these traders revise their strategies, and run a better program. Their skills are still good to use. And karita, yes you're right is some point. We are playing BINGO, but only to the common. You can easily predict the professional scammer by thinking like them.

Personally I do not know. But a few days after their website is down, the host server could not be found. Then after that the host server is back online, but website cannot be access. Then now again, can't find the host server.

I think here's some possibility:
1. They scam, which is impossible.
2. They broke, or lose alot which is possible considering the market crisis.
3. They got scammed by Altergold out of alot of money, which cannot be confirmed.
4. Their technician aren't very experience to work fast.
5. They accidentally messed up their scripts.
6. The banning of short-selling affected their trading strategy, and thus they cannot continue.

rae :

nycv, thanks for your reply and forgive my ignorance as I sort this out.

So from your explanation of my question regarding the banning of short sells the way they are now going to make money is by long positions and/or waiting for the stock to go up?

Of coarse there are other stocks they may be able to short sell, but I was just curious as to whether or not this banning affected their strategy, admin stated that there was a lot of money to be made by shorts sells and that much of their profit came from this strategy and this posting was posted before the ban.

I am curious.

Either they're using an offshore brokerage account, non-affected. Or they change their strategy.

Anyway, they didn't say much of their profits came from that strategy. They only say that "through the last time we have placed our positions of short sale and short CFD mostly and got tremendous income!"
meaning before the whole thing went down, they use this strategy. They did not rely on this strategy.

Rustysouth :

Hey NYCV,
This one going well for you? It looks like one that I will get into shortly.

Get the latest FireFox version. It will show you that this company exists, verified by VeriSign Inc.
VeriSign is far more better than Comodo. A website with a VeriSign seal is a very serious one. I believe this should be the next star. Maybe even better than that A3 Union (You remember right?) It may even be a non-pyramid.

Also, remember the risk is yours to take. Just this one is way lower.

Wait a second, their server is up now. Not the website. Last few days when you try to connect, your browser will say "Looking up"
Now it reads "connecting"

I hope they prove I'm right.

SteveO :

Hi out there do anyone know what's going on with DTP. I don't like the way this is looking. It fells a lot like GPI. I just hope that they can get someone to help out and do what Chris's job is until he can make it back.

It's only 6 days. Consider DTP lifetime, I would say let's allow them until next week. 7 more days that is.

rae :

NeilKerry :

Don't worry, be happy

Dear investors!

Through the last time we have numerous requests from our investors about late problems with Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch purchase by AmEx and following downflow of indexes.
We officially state that this has no negative effect to our incomes, furthermore, - through the last time we have placed our positions of short sale and short CFD mostly and got tremendous income! Thanks to this we are glad to announce that our per cent will be maximal through the next 5 days! We do care about our investors by fact and in person, not about virtual prestige and image of something virtual. And we share our profits in a fair way, - any time, whatever happens!

--------------------
With best regards,
Neil Kerry,
Financial manager and co-founder of the guaranteed hedge fund The Stoic and company Stoic Capital Management Inc
http://www.stoic-capital.com

NeilKerry, rae here, I am fairly new to comment on these sites, however I read any and all information on any site I am ready to invest in (sometimes that takes quite a while). How does the the government band on short sell on 799 financial stock affect your plan. This happen just today Sept 19, 2008. I understand much money was made and could be made by selling those short stock, now what is the plan in a down market? Btw, it also seems that those who are investing in hyips should also try to invest their own portfolios in a variety of hyips which claim to get their income from different sources (ie, nuclear power, foriegn exchange, etc.) otherwise all will be affect by the same events, correct?

No, that is incorrect. Not all stocks are going down. Besides, after the banning of short selling, stocks like AIG rose. A trader or investor can simply change their plan to long position. They can do this by predicting which stocks will go up in price, buy it and wait. Then sell when the price goes up and profits from it.

Rustysouth :

Yeah NYCV is correct Sept 1st is the news update. All they did is give us info on what happened to Chris and did not change the date on site. Chris get well soon and our prayers are with you. So lets wait for further update on situation and not panic and flood them with emails.
Peace
Rusty

Well, all we can do is wait. DTP is going through tough time, but I believe they will stand as long as the traders are working. Gosh, this DTP is like some sort of treasure to us. Right Rusty?

No, that's wrong. The date refers to news update. The one on site saying Chris involved in an accident is a notice, not news. September 1st is last news update, not notice.

They finished transfering the scripts, and they already told us that the website will be down for a couple of days.

Hey guys, let's do something for DTP. Let's stop making deposits, and stop emailing them. Wait until they are able to process deposits and reply to emails. That way they will have less work loads. Stop withdrawing too, at least for a while. We don't want to stuffed too much work loads to them do we?

Planmate :

9/12/2008 11:31 56218xx U9243089 (Olympex) $134.00

paid without problems.

Sorry, but we don't believe 1 post newbie. If you're not paid voter, I'm sorry. We simply can't trust you, I'm not saying you're lying.

Dapper :

I'm sorry to hear about Chris.

Doesn't DTP have a backup admin? What would have happened before if he went on vacation or fell ill?

I don't think they have any backup admin. You can't expect someone to stay still waiting to back the administration. Also if you're running a serious program like DTP you need to be serious. And you can only let someone you trust to be in the group. But according to news, they're already looking for a temporary admin.

Guys, this is terrible. Chris is involved in a car accident, it's on website news. Anyway guys, I hope no one start a panic going "DTP not paying" I think I'll hit the first person doing that.

Anyway, I can answer questions related to DTP. Note that I'm not an official staff of DTP nor they hire me, just volunteer to help out on this forum until Chris get back.

Don't get panic guys, remember DTP is a honest program. We all know that, if not they would've close immediately. Hey Proofs, I'm sure you agree too. Let's support DTP through all these hardships. Hope Chris get well soon. I don't think new deposits will work for a while, no one there to process or check I think.

5 days Proof. They pay on business days. For weekly funds, it will be credited every Monday.

Ratewell :

Hi guys! I started to work with this program since may - there's no problem. I've invested here more than $1500 and all is still ok! Withdrawals are instant, support is fast.. janet, why should we believe you?

Because I myself have trouble withdrawing, not until 4 attempts. So all we need is for Janet to post a link to screenshot.

janet :

hi everyone janet here,
my investment was mature and pay from yesterday but i have been
trying to withdraw and it only allow me $50,yesterday,and $50 today it wont
allow me to withdraw my$3800 as any have this problem before.
and i contact admin from yesterday no answer.

Do you get any message about withdrawal limited? Are you using the same computer as you did when you register? Try withdraw alot of times until you managed to do it. Try $400 each time. This looks like A3 Union.

Paying nicely so far.

Mstrhappyman :

Altough I havnt invested into DTP yet, I am a little skittish about Alter Gold, as well as most payment processors these days... They always seem to go down alot! E-Gold was just terrible in my opinon. I dont know if this helps Chris, but I wish most HYIPs used epassporte. Altough it is more U.S. based, they do provide a visa/debit card and is accepted worldwide. I have also found them much much easier to get money in and out DIRECTLY through them. Check em out.

Also if you live in the US> The easiest way I have found to get Liberty Reserve is to use Exchanges Plus, after setting up a SolidTrustPay account. (scan and verify your account and bank information.) From there, just exchange LR to Alter gold with the various exchangers posted on the LR site. Most are trustworthy. The only draw back is the time. Solid Trust seems to be kinda slow at verifying accounts, but I havnt had a problem with them so far. (It sadly, took 2 weeks to go through the whole LR process to AG my first time.) I also verify that STP is a pretty good exchanger. I think their visa/debit card however is a little expensive. (including a Monthly membership fee STP: $5.00) (epassporte: Annual Fee US$5.00)

One last thing, I was wondering if DTP has ever used Liberty Reserve, and if so, what was their experience? Forgive me, but I havnt read through all of the discussions to find out... Thanks everyone & safe investing!

Well, first of all Chris said some of the traders does not want to get verified. This is true if you ask me, and even I don't like it for my own reasons. Liberty Reserve is a close system, you need an exchanger. But with DTP funds growing, no exchanger are able to handle it. So, STP and LR is out. The only options here:

LR, Pecunix, EPAY, Webmoney. Out of these, LR and Pecunix are out. Webmoney is in Russian, and Chris said they don't trust Russians as alot of scams is in Russians, not all though. But dislike is dislike. Chris said they're trying out EPAY, so I guess we'll wait and see.

MS :

OMG, i can't blv this site is still standing out strong! Hi, guys! How are things going?

DTP is a HYIP based on trading. Of course it's still standing, it's not a pyramid. That's why.

proof :

Hi Chris and Nycv tell me more re; epay as i am having serious technical problems with AG as each time i try to spend an error massage comes up and they have solve the problem with is also happening to my friend so I have money in AG but cannot invest due to error problem so I hope they finnally sort out same quickly.

from proof

Hi Proof,
EPAY is a type of currency. But it's not popular among HYIP investors recently, because they disabled e-currency totally. It allows you to fund with wire transfer. And the withdraw, either wire transfer or you can buy a debit card and withdraw with it. I've used their debit card once, but cancelled it due to the banning of e-currency from their system. But if DTP is to use it, I think alot of people will use it for sure. I never have problems with epay. That's all the info I have.

............you are dead pal. i would rather invest that in day trade pros. it yield about 20k with 100 days compound. make this a lesson.

chris :

Hi nycv,

we will check it out. Thanks for your work. Does anybody has any experience with that payment processor.

Chris

Well Chris, if there's no one else then I afraid I'm the only one hyip.com unless someone here start to use it. From what I know, this payment processors have about 11k accounts based on my account number. I have used their debit card until they stop accepting Pecunix and e-Bullion that is. But the transactions are fast. (e-currency to card transactions)

So from my view it's good. But I don't know if anyone here used it.

Jet :

Hi, is it safe to put my email address here?
My email address starts with Jit.........mes@aol.com

Hey Jet, have you receive the payment? Just want to make sure, since we lost track of the payments we processed on the list and your account is the checking point on our list.

I found a good payment processor, the question is it can no longer accept e-currency.
www.epayarea.com
It doesn't require verification to wire funds into the account, but is only suit for transfer larger than $400 if you count the bank fees. EPAY itself does not charge fees for incoming wire.
Is this a good option Chris? It's same as STP but no verification required.

Commun :

Chris,

Today's news mentioning that traders do not like LibertyReserve because of the exchanger involvment.
They don't trust exchangers, or what?
My impression is that exchange fees are similar.

I think the reason here is because Liberty Reserve is a close system. You cannot wire funds directly into Liberty Reserve. The only way is through exchangers. If the exchangers are short of LRUSD or USD, DTP would be in trouble. So I think it's a wise choice that DTP doesn't use Liberty Reserve.

Ok guys, here goes the new plan.

Dapper :

Why doesn't DTP use the AlterGold shopping cart interface instead of having us copy and paste the transaction info unto their site?

Because someone might cheat the system by altering the receiving account of DTP to their own. I hope I'm right.

Hey guys, I'm still revising my plan. So if I change all of sudden, don't get alarmed. The current investors will stick to old plan. It'll probably be changed to daily plan with longer term. So please don't deposit for the moment. And Jet, don't worry. Yours stick to old plan.

Jet :

Hi, is it safe to put my email address here?
My email address starts with Jit.........mes@aol.com

Hello,
Yes I got it. Batch 5161120. Sorry guys, there are no redirect page after spends.

I received first payment. It's 1.1% today.

Hey there proof, it can't be help. But however I would like to blame half of this to AGI admin. Didn't you guys have any backup for the database? Try creating backup dammit !

Half of this, well I blame it on the scammers that take AGI down.

Jet :

Hello,

I just invested in this website, but didn't get any confirmation email or anything.
Please let me know if everything is ok.
Thanks

What's the email you use Jet? I can check it.

225 days is the term after you bought a minimum of 10 shares. If you purchase additional shares and the value of the additional shares you purchase is more than 50% of your current shares, it will be reset back to 225 days. After the term you can sell your shares.

Payments are done weekdays. For weekly plan, they pay on Monday. They also have CD account at 6% a month for 3 months.

That's all I know.

lyn :

Hi nycv,
The website is working fine.If i invest $100,interest is 3% daily for 5 trading days or i get only 3% for the duration?

Hello, the interest are variable according to what I earn. 3% is the minimum and 15% is the max. The interest are calculated for the whole duration, not daily.

Rustysouth :

Hey NYCV,
Do you email and let us know when you receive are deposit and do you email and let us know when you deposit into our account?

Well, there won't be any email notifications. I don't think it's necessary. But you can always email me to ask about it.

Anyway, thanks proof for your support.

Not sure what you mean proof. If you mean the template, it's copied from EliteMoney.net since I'm not a designer. And if you mean payous, it's directly to your LR account.

akashefi12 :

Wow...So, that is it for my very FIRST investment?? Well, that was the easiest $200 I have ever lost... So much for the 3-4 pages of optimistic posts about the o so faithful "James of SAinv"..Anyone have any HOT HYIPs right now they are in???

Don't blame us. Someone post about contacting FBI, now SAINV is gone because of that one stupid post. Anywhere, I'm watching geniusfunds.com now. Looks good to me if you ask.

Hey guys, check this up. This one looks good, but I'll wait until 14 days.

markP :

so does that mean you closed the other program?

Yes, I'm going to take the website down in a few days. If you make any deposits there it'll all be return plus fees and profits.

Hey guys, check up my website. Tell me if it works.

Things are clear now. Sainv is not scam at all.

Hey guys, cheer up. I'm going to open my own HYIP soon, with real trading of course. The name will be Gold Investment Club. It's same as AG Investment Club, except they trade physical gold. I trade on Marketiva. So if anyone want to be a volunteer support staff, contact me. Oh, and MarkP I will close my current club. Anyone who invest in my current club will have all their deposits back.

I'm off topic here, sorry Alex.

Guys, the problem here is Liberty Reserve. But is anyone getting paid in another currency? I noticed LR is not always available. So it explains that. But if Pecunix, maybe Pecunix also have a problem. Notice that Stoic already removed Pecunix, and Altergold do not accept it as well. Just my view.

glo :

NeilKerry :

Dear customers!

As far as e-Gold and Pecunix payment systems stay unstable and of high volatility and risk to loose liquidity due to unresolved legal problems they have. We have made a principal decision to suspend acceptance of investments deposited by e-Gold or Pecunix.
This decision does not effect any way the present investors who used e-gold or Pecunix 013 all the owed earned and principal amounts of funds will be paid them without any changes as per the plan they have chosen.
For more convenience to our investors we are working on expanding the variety of e-currencies acceptable to Alter Gold (http://www.altergold.com) and Perfect Money (http://perfectmoney.com).
Also, meeting the clients' requests our company has decided to work out technology to accept deposits by wire transfer. To represent this way of investment and payment - we have to complete our programming and legal terms for this technology. As we plan it will take 35-45 days.

Please watch for our news and updates.

Neil Kerry,
Financial manager and co-founder of the guaranteed hedge fund The Stoic and company Stoic Capital Management Inc
http://www.stoic-capital.com

Mr Kerry, What are your intentions concerning the hundreds of us who have invested with e-bullion and are unable to withdraw funds via another funder or reinvest them without a VERY long commitment? Our intent was to make a large deposit in December when our current investment matures. However, with hundreds of dollars sitting, unable to be withdrawn and NOT EARNING ANY INTEREST is causing us to reconsider! Taking the handling of the EB fiasco now nearly a month old, makes one wonder if this happens in the future and handled in the same manner investing a much larger amount this would result in a huge loss - TIME IS MONEY!!!

Well glo, I'm not sure if I'm correct but...Stoic offers the deposit options because it was "convenient" to us. Because some of us use only EB, and Stoic main intentions is for the EB users. However, we choose to use EB ourselves so we had to take responsibility on our own choice.

The company can choose to offer or not to offer us to withdraw with another e-currencies. Remember, if Stoic allow it, it can cause cash flow problems. Unless a company have taken precautious steps before this happens. Also, Stoic is NOT an exchanger.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

jkp1304 :

Hello,

Is it still safe to invest with Daytradepros after the possible EB crash?
Or should I wait and see if EB get up and running again?

I have been following this tread for a while now and Chris looks like a trustworthy guy, I just don019t know if they have lost a pile of money in EB.

Is there any news in the EB case?

The only way to deposit now is through Altergold. All the loss is non-related to Altergold user so rest assured. It is safe to invest with DTP. Besides more deposit not only profitable to the investors, but also help DTP to recover as fast as possible since they'll have more money to trade with.

stevenjohnuk :

HELLO ROOM,

I HAVE A BIG QUESTIONS REGARDING SAFEATOM. WHAT DID THEY MEANT BY NUMBER 1F? DOES THIS MEAN THAT IF YOU EARN LIKE 500 USD THEY WILL TAKE OUT 50% FROM THE MONEY WHEN YOU ARE ABOUT TO WITHDRAW? SOMEBODY HELP....

AND AGIN I WANT TO KNOW IF SAFETOM FOR REAL? IF YES WHATS THE BEST CHOICE FOR COMPOUNDING?

1. INVESTMENT CONDITIONS

1a. Deposits can be accepted via online payment system Liberty Reserve (it provides exchange of all existent e-money including e-gold, e-bullion and so on).

1b. Deposits are accepted for the term of 150 days. Each new deposit is accepted for its own term. The basic contribution is returned to investor on the expiration of given period.

1c. Minimum deposit amounts 1 USD. Any deposits less than 1 USD won019t be entered in an account of the investor and will be granted to the investment fund 018Safe Atom019.

1d. Total balance consists of the sum of all active deposits (the term of 150 days of these deposits is not over yet).

1e. Profit is added to your total balance every day and 7 days a week. Profit depends on the level of your account and amounts 2% daily.

1f. The Investor is able to withdraw the deposit at any time before the deadline (before the expiration of 150 days). But 50% fee from withdrawal amount is deducted.

1g. When the balance amounts to 200 USD extra 20 USD will be added as bonus to the balance of investor.

No. 1F is about your principal. If you withdraw your principal before contract expiration, you will be charge 50% fees.

If you're ready to risk your money, compound. If you want to be safe, don't compound.

TH :

Assuming normal function of their servers, and I realize that wasn't the case over the last few days, what is the longest anybody's deposit has taken to show up in their account?

I made a deposit the day before they went down, and now a day after they came back it isn't in the account. I've sent an inquiry to admin (via several e-mail addresses). I'm only asking so I can know when to expect it to show.

Well, here's the reminder. They are having a database problem. That's why.

soteren :

The game is over now!

It is a SCAM now!

The website is not reachable,E-mails were not answered!
Three days before I invested 100 $ .
Fraudolent!!!!!

Excuse me, but have you check the website today? It's only a short downtime and you're already complaining. Of course the email were not answer, they did not receive it since the email address are attached to the domain name.

Go check now, if you don't believe it give me you account informations. I'll take your money.

Also you have only 1 post, there are a possibility that you are taking the chance to post bad as a paid voter. But who knows. If you're not a paid voter, please check the website NOW.

Ok, hang on a second. I realized I just missed out something. Most HYIP investors use e-currencies. So isn't it a little inconvenient with the STP? The only deposit method that use e-currency will be e-gold, which carry a 25% charge. (You're kidding me, 25%?! )

Sure it would be ok, but to some investors it would not be ok. About the cash flow, I don't know. But from my point of view, I still think there are a few percentage of chances that it could happen. But then again, I maybe wrong.

Tree :

About cash flow, I'd say it is the opposite: more investment options in the program give more flexibility to investors. From management's point of view, it should not matter because from each payment processor, money are going into one place for trading (similar and a one-time exchange fees for processors across). As As far as payouts go, how much needs to be deposited into each of payment processors, is known in advance, because there are clear records of initial investments.
In addition, having several processors on board, helps reduce the risk of getting stuck when one of them has some sort of a trouble (DDoS, owner arrest, what have you...)

Yes, that's why I said I maybe wrong. Thanks for the corrections, that's very informative.

SteveO :

Hi Chris I don't know all what's involved in getting an other payment processor but what about solid trust pay?

Hi there SteveO
I don't think DTP can offer STP. The bank wire deposit is not available. I've just signed up a few days ago because it's looks good. But what DTP need is the option to wire money into account. Accordingly an account holder will need to contact STP first before sending a wire transfer. Now that's very troublesome. You need to actually contact every time you want to deposit with wire transfer.

Also remember, using too many types of currencies may cause some cashflow problems.

But that's just my opinion, it maybe wrong. So I guess let's see what Chris answer is.

Freddy :

time&chance :

I have 90 usd in this one thats supposed to mature today in the 15day plan. Of course it was done through e-b. And of course when I emailed them concerning the transfer to liberty reserve or alter gold, it was a big NO. Has anyone been able to successfully withdraw an e-b investment through liberty reserve or alter gold with these people?

Also, is the plan stilll paying? I was planning another investment through perfect money and solid trust pay.

I invested US$1490.00 through E-Bullion before they got into trouble and got confirmation email from E-Bullion that the money was sent to SAI. Now I email SAI admin daily regarding my payment and was told ridiculus excuses that they are trying to contact E-Bullion admin and the US government. This is not true.So what if E-Bullion never return? I sent to SAI my liberty reserve account # and also my Aftergold account number but was told the same story that they are waiting on E-B. They received my money that was processed throuh E-B which means they already have the money and has nothing to do with E-B anymore. All other hyip programs that received money through E-B are using Aftergold and other processors to pay there clients why cant SAI do the same?
A copy of the email from admin SAI
Hello,

You cannot receive your payment in other e-currency.

You will receive your profit directly to the E-bullion account you
invested from, as soon as the e-bullion website is back online!

Our lawyers in Panama are trying to contact the administration of EB
and the US government for details.

We apologize for any inconvenience the delay answer caused.

Please do not hesitate to contact us if you
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SAInvestment Co, Inc.
Panama

Do you mean you want SAI to compensate your loss which has nothing to do with them? Your post are very selfish. Everyone suffers loss from the e-Bullion event. Ridiculous? I'm sorry to say but the one ridiculous is you.

Here's what you want:
Compensation for e-Bullion losses which got nothing to do with SAI.
Blaming a program for the e-Bullion event.
Selfish and only want what's good for yourself.

Think about it. They are NOT exchanger. And no one want to compensate for your loss, because they lose money themselves.
I'm sorry if it's insulting you accidentally.

You're right in some case. But if you're staying away from sites that do not offer instant withdraw to LR, that's just strange. This one theory of yours is proven to be useless. Because even if a HYIP offer this type of system, they're not always ok to invest.

That's just my opinion. But really, according to you, are you saying DTP is not good? It's been around for more than 1 year and proved to be involved in real trading. Well anyway, happy investing. Just remember to stay away from sites with common design, such as the cheap purchase template even if it looks professional.

[Sorry for getting off topic as this thread is for Stoic only.]

After your investment terms end, go to your account. Select "Principal" then click on "release deposit" or something like that. You'll get a warning about losing 20%, but don't worry. As long as it says "days left" is 0, you get it 100% back.

The principal are paid at end of term, 20 days for the first plan.

And one more thing Nevous. What do you mean traders can lose alot of money this year? Don't tell me you only trade long position. Some traders use short selling strategies to get profits. So if the market is going up or down, you can still profits. That of course, depends on how good the trader is.

For Stoic, yes I have doubt if they are good trader or ponzi. Let time prove it.

Those 45 days programs you're talking about, I don't compare them. They're totally set up to scam, pure scam. Why are you telling me about them?

nevous :

Also nycv, I don't think a lot of people are investing more than 5k per program. From what i see the median must be around 1k.

Excuse me, but I didn't say or think people are investing more than 5k. You seems to mistook my statement. Please read it again.

I was only saying that it's possible to reach hundred thousands with a 15k, and that 1 million is only the max. I did say the only thing "we can doubt" is Stoic really involved in trading. I didn't say you should invest that much.

TH :

Anybody else notice that the 5 day plan is now "coming soon"? I'm wondering if this is a normal occurrence for a shorter term plan to just up and disappear like that, or if this is a warning sign that the program is having difficulties in the short term and needs to "take a breath". In recent experience, changes in plans has heralded a problem with the program (4fxtrader, for example).

On the other hand, I did receive my most recent 5 day deposit today, on time, as usual. So if the plan were having problems, payments would likely be delayed, no? Any thoughts?

This is an error. They probably did something wrong to the codes.

TH :

Obviously it's my timing. Any suggestions?

First when you found a potential program, wait until you see people paying. Then you invest when the site is ok on it's 20th day. Or maybe you should start as first?

Anyway, good luck.

(The strategy I offer only get the risk to the lowest. The risk is still there.)

TH :

You have GOT to be f**king kidding me!!!! I made my first deposit in this program YESTERDAY, and the site goes down the next day?!?!?!

Am I cursed?!?!? Is EVERY program I choose to invest in doomed?!?!?

Unbefrickinlievable!!!!

(And if anybody says "let's wait this out - it might not last long", I'll point to alcoholding, FFG, among others that have been touted as GREAT PROGRAMS, which subsequently disappeared!)

Sorry if I sound too negative. But experience has to count for something. And my experience has been pretty damned crappy!

TH, your timing is the problem for you. You have a bad sense of timing. Fix it and you'll get profits in HYIP. Also I am not yet given up on AG yet until 7 more days.

That is strange. I believe there are mistype errors. $20 min and $50 min, these 2 minimums are the mistype. I believe it's $20 minimum.

Excuse me, may I interrupt your "wtf" statement? You're not yet reaching the professional trader level. Yes it is possible. But that one million is the maximum. There's no guarantee you'll get it. You'll likely get somewhere about 700,000. The only thing we can't be sure, is Stoic really involved in trading? That's all we can doubt. But reaching one million, if you're a god you reach the maximum profits.

Remember, experienced trader can make up to 20% a day with average 3% to 5% minimum like what DTP said.

I don't know if this may sound like an insult, but I'm not.

Ender Wiggins :

well, although it might help in the beginning, with sites like FFG and alcohold where you do not know when it will go down, no structure will work.

Btw, have not seen Alex for a while, LOL are you out of jail buddy? :D

You are wrong. It will work. If we're in profits, it's considered "working". Although when there's alot of people using this strategy, it will no longer work. But right now, it will work well.

Ok I guess this is it. Next stop for me...Tradelite, Sainv, Ejendomsinvest...and of course our good old DayTradePros.

Hello everyone. How's AG? Is this HYIP still paying? I'm considering to make a deposit here.

chris :

Hi all,

the deposit was a reinvestment from account balance. We are trading like crazy, with the funds we have left in our daytrading accounts, to make some money to put into Altergold. If we would have used those funds to make payouts, we wouldn't have any to trade. We are trying really hard, and once we put some funds into Altergold, we will have to limit the withdrawals, so everybody will get something, until we catch up. This is not an easy task, so please be patient with us.

Thanks, Chris, admin

Hi Chris,
You said that DTP have to limit the withdrawals once DTP put some funds into Altergold. Is it applied only to e-bullion investors? Will there be limit to Altergold investors?

Thanks

This website is officially problem now. Cashflow problems, no support, loss of funds. FFG is out on my list now until no problems.

Michael and FTG, enough with the fake. We are not idiot, the name Michael only got 1 post. A "fictional character"

The interest rate already proved it scam. You're kidding me, if it's true everyone would be millionaire in 1 week by investing 10,000 USD. I had to remind you that there are experts on hyip.com who are not stupid. Proof, glo, lordxan and alot more. Can you back us all off with your idiotic lies? I don't think so.

Well markP, I didn't get it. But I'll email you through the one list in you profile. Right now I got to sleep, I'll email you tomorrow.

Anyway, good luck DTP ! Be the number 1 !

Hey guys, anyone see the deposits? DTP got 9k deposits today. I think the situation is getting better now.

Nice piece of information Alex. That really explained what a batch is.

Guys, I advice not to invest yet. Until FFG start paying again. If they don't, well then it's scam. Even my withdrawals is pending. Username wayhuck if anyone need to confirm it.

markP :

hey nycv are you still doing your own website? I couldnt find it anymore

Yes my website is still open. Email at nycv2@yahoo.com I can't give you link here as it is forbidden.

Nice strategy. It's the safest, but may pull down the profits percentage. First, when you invest, treat one as ponzi. Always pay attention to total deposits minus total withdrawal. When it get too near about 50% against 50% get out quick. When withdrawals clearly exceeds deposits, like DTP then it's safe. (If it was stock trading that is.)

Yes Masterwing, it is my own evaluation.
I know how a half ponzi work because I myself have researched HYIP since I'm 16. But it isn't always right.
These HYIP pay us with many e-currencies. How they do that? Here's how.

For one, they know how to trade Forex. Number 2 they know how to run a ponzi. First they accept some payment options. Next they add a brand new payment option by exchanging average sum of money to new currencies in order to pay investor in new currencies. (Which is rare, sometimes they only need to open the payment options and deposits will flow in.)

When one currency is lacking, they exchange some from their largest amount of currencies available. This may means they are losing, but over long term they are winning. All combined currency will add up into profits. If FFG lose e-bullion in large amount, they will have flow problems.

The only HYIP that depends on 100% real trading will only be DayTradePros.

Excuse me for a little. Here's the details.

FFG have cashflow problems. Which is why. They are right in this matter. But when not responding, they are wrong.

That's it. You all don't have to put on a "Show" for it. Not everyone is right, and not everyone is wrong at this case. FFG Trading is a half ponzi anyway, so if they can't get through they may decide to scam. Don't invest, and start withdrawing.

So FFG have negative, and positive.

akashefi12 :

Hello all,
I am very new to HYIP and I have been seeing a lot of payment proofs from members of the HYIP community, most of which look something like this :

date : 10-10-08
batch : 123455
AMOUNT : $13.50?????

I think I am confused on what that really means...Is this the average made on each day throughout your investment? Or, is this the grand total profit made from on an investment or what? I ask because while 13.50 could benefit me, I am looking to make more like $1350.00! Any information on this would be greatly appreciated...

It's depends on the program. If a program pay daily interest, weekly interest, monthly interest then the proofs is profits made from an investments. If a program pay principal and profits at end of term, then it's principal and profits.

Hi telessuor,
Just in case Chris didn't see your questions, I have 2 version of explanations which Chris might say.

Explanation 1:
They're arranging it. DTP is starting to trade with new funds and previous funds which are not transfered to e-bullion at the time of this problems. They're trading with pooled funds now to recover the loss, and all trading profits go into Altergold. It may not be now, but DTP will certainly pay with Altergold to you when the loss is covered.

Explanation 2:
DTP is waiting to see if e-bullion is coming back. If it doesn't, DTP will cover the loss. (Which of course take some time. Probably longer than expected since the funds going down with e-bullion is in very big amount. I'm guessing that DTP may only cover the principal.)

(All these may not be the explanation that Chris will give to you. I'm only guessing.)

Rustysouth :

Why doesnt DTP add Liberty Reserve? They have many people who use this e-currency. It would get them going quicker than alter-gold. That is my 2 cents for the day.
Peace
Rusty

No Rusty. Adding Altergold is the best options. Adding Altergold is same as adding LR but with more advantages. You see, in order to trade the money they had to wire it to their trading account. LR does not allow in or out wire transactions. The only way to do it is through exchangers, which they would be in trouble if the exchangers does not have enough national currency to fund their trading account.

Altergold can be fund with LR at NO FEES. Altergold can be withdrawn into DTP trading account. I wrote to Chris last time about this. He said Altergold meets all the requirements.

DTP add Altergold because as you said "many people used LR" which makes Altergold the best choice.
(All these reasonings are not 100% accurate)

I haven't deposit using Altergold yet. But I will soon. DTP is the top HYIP, you'd be crazy if you don't deposit.

You're right Rusty. Alex can you please list this "antique" as not paying? Or at least problem.
Thanks

Ok guys, I'm going to invest large amount here. The more DTP have, the faster they recover. Now who's with me? We certainly can't waste their day trading skills.

Website outage for a while. But today it's fine.

Don't worry Chris. We all know DTP is trading for real, and DTP has been here helping alot of people to earn for almost 2 years. So if we don't support you, we lose.

Hey guys, I say let's support DTP through this. We can lose a solid program if we don't, and I won't take it. Let's give DTP our full support through this problem.

ace88 :

hi
i deposited 3000$ 4/8/2008
but my account is expire
my id and password is exact
but no enter
i received new password
but no enter
why?
help me please..

Impossible. These passwords recovery scripts work automatically. This is not possible. Besides you have 3 SIMILIAR posts. How can we trust you? Unless you have at least 30 posts.

It is still too early to say it's scam.

Well, it's just my opinion. But I think this really messed up DTP working order. DTP may now need more time, and we had to wait patiently. As far as I know DTP is solid, so we can trust DTP.

Well, at my opinion I think we can't do anything if we have any loss with e-bullion. DTP may need to start over, and process only Altergold investments.

(I'm saying that if anything happens, we can't rely on DTP for refund. It isn't DTP fault. I hate to say this, but if DTP got alot of funds with e-bullion, DTP may need to restart with Altergold. And investors have to..."forget about their current investments")

Hey Alex,
Why is this listed as problem? I don't see any problems, is there?

Received payment. Reinvested.

Ok, that did it. I think it's time to see if EB still safe or not. If it wasn't...well then DTP would be greatly affected. And it's up to us to support DTP through this problem. One thing is sure, I'm with DTP.

I just hope the refunds is available for users if something happens.

This may means e-bullion will be close. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Hey guys, anyone got pending withdrawals? I have one pending about 24 hours. Anyway, this is NOT an alarm. It happened before. But if alot of people have this problem, it may means Liberty Reserve API is not working fast enough, or maybe FFG robot is slow.

Thanks for the information Proof. I think this alone will be enough to convince anyone it's not pyramid. If it was pyramid no one will pay out more than $8000

I'm going in with $5000 on December.

Reply for you Vex.
The reason PIN was change is because if someone hack from 99999 downward to 00001 they will have your PIN. This is done by script. Next your passwords, do not give out your address, or anything that you use to register with LR to anyone. Birth date are included. Expose 1 and your whole account will be hacked. Master key? No problem to recover once they recover your passwords with your details.

Basically all problems start from the user, it has none related to LR security.

Hey guys, have anyone depend on DTP return for living expenses and investment on other HYIP?
Anyway guys, now I believe DTP is the lowest risk of all. I've seen DTP since about 2006 somewhere between december end and january 2007. I believe it's the best.

proof :

Hi all I got paid on some pending but not all as there are two more outstanding and I have informed the Admin re; same and I will keep you up-dated.

from proof

Can I ask if the processed withdrawals are the one you request for longer period of time? Do they pay your longer pending request or your recent request first?
Thanks

I would hold the investments for now. There's a feeling to me that this will scam after some limit. I'd consider once it reach 100 days.

I'm not going to say change of plans as alert. I'd rather focus on the payment issues. Their plan changes lower the interest rate, so it's ok. Unless they change the interest higher, that would be an alert.

roosevelt :

Hello Everyone.
Not to alarm anyone but this is what has happened to me. remember i said i wanted to invest using u-gotcash well i would not recommend it. the only reason i chose them to invest with was because they accept credit card payments over the phone. this was good for me because i dont have a bank account. but hears what happened. I opened my account and when i got it funded with the 500 i was goin to invest i went to sainv.com and tryed to invest. i received this message:
There is an error in processing your request.
Either incorrect name of parameter or invalid values has been supplied which causes this error!
please contact your merchant and report this error immediately.

i emailed sainv.com about the problem but they have not responded. i also emailed the u-gotcash support crew and this is how they responded:

We have suspended his account pending an audit for some fraudulent activity due to members or perhaps he, himself. Please be advised ...

Thank you,
UGC Support Team

In response to that message i sent the ugc support team this message:

What do you mean by Fraudlent Activity? u mean large amounts of money going in and out or members sending his account money and days later he sends greater amounts back to the members who sent him the money? The site sainv.com is an investment site. the people who run it invest money given to them and then send back the money depending on which plan you choose. please check out the site. and also go here for more proof that they are not just taking money: http://www.hyip.com/forum/topic?id=7718 go through the pages and see what people are saying. the only reason i chose your ecurrency/payment processor is because you are the only one that accept credit card payments. but if this the reason that you have blocked his account please let me know so that i can withdraw my money and transfer it to another ecurrencey such as liberty reserve or ebullion.

I am now awaiting a response from UGC support team and also awaiting a response from sainv.com

Remember this is not to alarm anyone but to just let you know that i wouldn't recommend investing with u-gotcash at this time. being that i dont have a bank account i guess i will just have to wait the 10 to 15 days to receive the check for my withdrawal from ugotcash. i know all u other investors can understand my frustration. I go through all of the trouble opening my account and getting it funded and now i cant invest and have to be charged a fee for getting my money back from Ugotcash.

Thanks to the member who suggest UGC. This is ridiculous. This problem came from UGC, this is NOT an alarm. First of all not even me dare to use UGC, I always know it. UGC is infamous, shouldn't use it just because of accepting credit card. First of all Ponzi or not, it's our problems not UGC. If they stick their nose in our business, they're not dependable. Use processors that support HYIP when investing in HYIP.

The Comodo seal ONLY guarantee the identity. It DOES NOT guarantee the activities the company are doing. So basically even if they're legally registered, they may as well be Ponzi. But one thing, company can't scam easily as I said in another post. They need to strike off from list, and if you accuse them by law during this process, they cannot. Unfortunately no investors does that.

Ok, time to let go guys. This is HYIP, no matter what type of model it is, backed or not backed by real business, this is what happens. AlcoHolding maybe a good HYIP, but I think that the admin tripped on bad trades. But even the admin is honest, I must admit that Greg is now no longer there. He may / may not be a scammer.

Thinking and hoping about it won't help. Ignoring it is also giving same results, except we can use the valuable time for other investments. I say we forget it and move on. These are games, no matter what model there is. High Risk = Gamble

My patience is up, 4 days Greg. Better hurry.

Will invest here within 10 days. Looks great, and I found this company legal.

This is the best program. Expert Traders Ltd, problem AlcoHolding, and alot more long term HYIP falls. But DTP is still standing and over 1 year, almost 2 years. A pyramid can't stand like this, so I'd say DTP is the best. If I want to risk my money, I'd rather risk it with DTP as the first choice.

The withdrawals exceeded deposits in great amount proving it to be the real legit HYIP. Although I would like a better designed website, when it came to DTP I say leave it the way it is as long as it's working.

Keep it up Chris, we investors are always here to support DTP.

The 1 week clock start ticking now.

Hello,
What do you mean by that? And which program? This program already exist locally last year. We do not run any programs other than this. And as far as I know, do you recognize the right person? The name seems to be wrong. Please double check as 2 person with almost similar name can sometimes mistaken.

Regards

Rustysouth :

Hello,
How can you offer no risk? That isnt really possible is it?
Rusty

It is possible Rusty. I can offer no risk because I'm not running a HYIP. This program is related to HYIP INDIRECTLY. That is why. I've this site for 1 year now, so I decided to promote here.

High Yield Manager is a program that invest member funds in HYIP program. We have 2 experts working to ensure you get the highest yield with no risk.

Don't worry guys, their forum is working. If they really scamming, then no point leaving a forum running.

Romdiego :

Hi Taz and NYCV.

Thanks for your comments.
Normally I am very positive and optimistic but I have had the bad luck that 2 of my 3 investments are in problems.

First Angel-Capital that at this moment is a total scam for me. I lost a 4 digit amount.
And now Alco, in which I have a 4 digit amount too. Furthermore I made a re-Invest just 2 weeks ago thinking in "help" Greg and his program. But It seems like he is expecting a lot of people re-invest again... I dont Know... I really want my bad feelings be wrong.

I will Re-invest, an will start to pray too.

It is not luck, it's your observation skills. When AC changed plan like that, it already indicated falling. And you invested a 4 digit...

Anyway I'm not sure if the post about hacking is correct. If it could cause panic, why still reply with that statement?

And Romiego, if you don't want to lose money I suggest you to let the High Yield Manager to handle your investments for you. It's a club that my local used to invests, managed by 2 experts.

May I ask why? You can't just state not good. No reason.

tucker :

Hey all, just after my last post Greg had written back. I didn't want to post it right away thinking it would start another panic withdrawals like his vacation caused but. I to am going to wait until next month here is what Greg wrote.

Dear Larry,

Sorry, for leaving everybody in the fog, however explaining our situation
will cause lot more panic right now.
We have a hacker breaking into our database, changing e-currency account
information now and then, so that people send deposits to his
accounts.Changing EB to LR in pending withdrawals and balances was his job
also.
We have checked and rechecked everything on our end and working with the
script provider to patch the backdoor.
As for the money matters, my partner is transferring me funds by small
portions. He was caught up with the stock he can not get rid of and the bulk
of money rest with him. We are working on solutions to override this down
trend and hopefully we'll be able to get back on track in August.
We have huge backlog of pending withdrawals because of LR downtime. Major
part of our membership invests in LR so we are drawning in withdrawal
requests and have to divide the funds between e-currencies not to let anyone
aside.

That's in brief what is going on. You can post what you think appropriate at
the forums.

Thanks for understanding and support.

Greg

Hey Tucker. Sorry if this looks insulting to you, but I'm not insulting ok? Could you post the email along with the header? Or upload the screenshot and tell us the link? You see, your statement may trigger panic for some new investors. Therefore you should post it together with proof for this serious email. Anyone else please do the same if you post any email containing problems statements.

Also I think I know why the total withdrawals of site statistics down. Together with the deposits. Because the hacked deposits must be cover by them one by one with reserved "real money"
As for withdrawals, they must have accidentally process the hacker withdraw of 8k
But hey, the total loss as I've counted was 10,000 hacked which is a small sum. The stock that they can't get rid of? Alot of Traders trade when they know it will be up or down. However when they're waiting for it to reach their destination price, they cannot get rid of it before it reach the goal or it'll cause major loss.

Romdiego :

I dont know what you think, but all those problems leave me a bad taste in my mouth...

And I do know that I am not the only one.

By the moment the only open door is to re-invest the pending wd and this situation remembers me when one person dies and people around him wants to keep him conected to a machine... every body knows what happens but nobody wants to accept it.

If I am wrong, Forgive Me Greg.

You have something wrong about the "died"
This is not a dying program. Things can happens with real business. There will be some failures and alot of success. If we just cooperate with them, when they're back up we will get benefits of continuos profits. But if we do not cooperate and drag it down, when they fall because of us, it will bring everybody down.
Nobody wants to accept it, because it just have problems not died.

Get over it Greg, prove me right or wrong.

TH, I have an explanation of your questions about why Greg didn't send withdrawals in other e-currencies. First of all according to what I read they have cashflow problems. Secondly, LR problems has something to do with other currencies withdrawals.

Here's a guess about AlcoHolding Inc system structure.
All e-currencies deposited ---> Exchange to national currencies to be use for their business
Profits from their business ----> Some exchange to e-currencies, some they keep as profits, some reserved.

So you see, when their profits is getting a little bit lower, it caused cashflow problems. When they are lacked of money in one currencies, some investors with no patient tried to negotiate to get paid in another currencies. In fact, we can see alot of members doing that on Alco forum. When LR is down, users requested to withdraw in e-bullion, or Pecunix because of lack of patience. This caused more burden on other e-currencies reserved, and as a result of combinations of this problem, together with cashflow problems slow down ALL withdrawals from ALL e-currencies even more. Maybe that's what happened.

And glo, I hope you did not forget Greg maybe overload with alot of works related to withdrawals and e-currencies reserved. So I personally think we can't hear it from him directly this easily. Because Greg solved my pending withdrawals when I email him, but doesn't answer. So based on this, Greg "solve problems from emails without answering because of overload"

So glo, your problems maybe same as TH as to why Greg didn't pay with other e-currencies.

Site gone for a whole week. Be careful.

Alcoholding is still paying. Received $560

Well glo, I'm also dissappointed. But I don't think this helps. The monitors state paying when they're paid, that's the nature of it even if investors are not paid. But perhaps Alex is busy on other issues. Just a guess.
The paying simply states the HYIP is paying the monitor. It is up to us to determine it.

There maybe something we do not understand. Let's not call it ridiculous.

big-boss :

Hi i made a payment on FFG platform since 4/7/2008 and no notification of deposit made and no profit since then , several mails has been sent but no reponse .I suspect that FFG is a scammer

Excuse me, but go scam somewhere else. We DO NOT tolerate scammers here. Here's a few "bombard" reasons for you to lose.

1. 4th July until today is a really long time. 12 days. If this is true, what are you doing during those 12 days? Sleeping? Why you didn't post at that time but post only now? Time reason, you're down.

2. The script on FFG are automated. They cannot modify it or everyone else will also have a problems. So modification to not pay you is basically impossible.

3. You did not post LR batch number, you did not tell us how much you deposited in FFG. (Do you really have an account?)

4. I find it suspicious that YOU have only 1...erm was that a 1 guys? Guys? Yes it is 1. Ahem, get out of here "big-boss"

5. You suspect that FFG is a scammer, or is it you make everything up? FFG is not a scammer yet, because even when a HYIP have the intentions of scamming from beginning, it is not a scammer when it haven't scam. In fact, I do suspect you. Why? YOUR last visit is today. THIS post of yours is today. YOU have 1 post. Conclusions, you register today, you post today. End of story. "Kimi wa hontoni baka" (Guess this Japanese sentence yourself !)

Get out of here big-boss, I don't care how big you are. You are smaller than everyone of us.

markP :

well im trying to convince anyone but you havent proven anything either, especially why some companies prefer to use them and not other exchange programs. My sources were online from online sources i remember one was from a gdic message group where it was an interview with at the time w the president of the group and the whole topic was brought up. There is always two sides to a coin and i dont work for them as you said so i dont commisions or anything to get people to sign up, this is all just the info i have gotten and was able to make up my own mind. I do have friends that use them as well and dont have any problems whatssoever with them as well. Basically thats all i have to say on the issue and just giving the people the info if they wanted to look into it any further on their own. I wouldnt want people to take my word on it or your word on it and at least investigate themselves and they can make up their own mind. Also there wasnt a reason given for the autocambist freeze either from ebullion's side or from autocambist's side of things. I work for an interent company where accounts are restricted all the time when certain thresholds are crossed. Im 95% certain that eb has counters set where an account is disabled automatically when certain activity is shown. I have no idea what they are but if you have more than 20 accounts you need these measures in place anyway.

Again just my info from my research and its not like i got this from eb itself. I have used the company for a long time without problem and im just relaying this info for other peoples benefit so they see both sides and can look it up for itself and make up their own mind. Well thats all i am going to say on the topic just wanted to share my experience which is good and your experience which is bad with them and i can appreciate how you feel

have a good one

Mark

Well, fair enough. The reason why, maybe because it's eb a scam? Maybe it's right maybe it's wrong. Anyway, let's end this sub topic. Because you have good experience, I have a bad one. So let's just leave it to user to decided like you said. I totally agreed.

same here.

markP :

Im sorry i had to laugh at the ebullion stuff. The whole autocambist thing is fairly old news at this point. I have a few minor issues with ebullion and the responded right away. I had my account put on hold once due to i withdrew a large amount of money. They called me the next day on the phone and i just had to verify my ID.

In fact why they are perceived as scam is when they froze the account of autocambist( i believe it was autocambist) they took a 2% liquidation fee which is normal procedure. Then thats what caused the problem in the first place and autocambist complained about it but ebullion basically wouldnt give the 2 percent back. Then when it got to the " regualtion comittee" which is another joke in itself which is basically because they have a confilict since they were affiliated with e-gold, in a nutshell that is where the scam info came in.

also as a side note ebullion is unique in that it acts as a payment processor where for instance lr and e-gold are just for exchange and you need a third party to receive checks because they dont want to deal with the liability which of course can bring up a lot more problems in terms of funds transferred with a bank. At least where i am from they have an account with bank of america and fdic bank and have used them for about 6 months without an issue. I have done lots of research into this because when i heard of the scams i was concerned so i wanted to look into it. I think maybe they might have issues with the banks they deal with in other countriesbut I have really no idea. Just my two cents and i have looked into this long and hard from numerous sources

And how do you know all that? Where is the source of your informations? How do you explain that 3 out of 8 of my friends get the e-bullion funds frozen with a total of $3000 plus of funds? And how about so many other people with frozen funds? They contact, present ID, and up until today there's still alot of people with their EB gone have yet to get their refund.

Don't judge a book by it's cover. You do not work for e-bullion, the company can easily hid some money and pretend nothing happens. How do you know about this:
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In fact why they are perceived as scam is when they froze the account of autocambist( i believe it was autocambist) they took a 2% liquidation fee which is normal procedure. Then thats what caused the problem in the first place and autocambist complained about it but ebullion basically wouldnt give the 2 percent back. Then when it got to the " regualtion comittee" which is another joke in itself which is basically because they have a confilict since they were affiliated with e-gold, in a nutshell that is where the scam info came in.
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And for what reason EB froze Autocambist (If it was) account? Doesn't really make sense unless you tell me about it.

proof :

Hi all since they do not take E-B then some one needs to ask them why not take E-B also?

from proof

There's no need to ask. There are a few possibilities here:
1. E-bullion "maybe" a scam
autocambist.com stopped e-bullion exchange, Tradelite does not use e-bullion, Epay stopped accepting e-bullion, more websites stop the transactions on e-bullion due to the account freezing event some time ago. This may indicate e-bullion got some sort of financial problems and freeze account to scam the money in it in order to survive. But this is just a view.

2. e-bullion does not respond to customer complaints. The reason DTP use e-bullion, and some other websites maybe because they personally does not have any problems with e-bullion. DTP, maybe e-bullion seen DTP reputations and does not dare to freeze it due to the large amounts of money. If they do, a total of 3000 ++ users may not use e-bullion any longer. (The investors of DTP)

If you all seen the news, you'd immediately use LR even with alot of downtime.
Here's the reasons I gathered (Accuracy not guarantee)

e-gold: Unstable
Pecunix: When gold loses value, so does Pecunix currency
Liberty Reserve: Backed by "USD" and "EUR", is not attach to gold price. Alot of downtimes.
e-bullion: Known as risky to keep money.
Altergold: Does not have any problems.
Perfect Money: Act like a bank account, with interest each year.
AlertPay: In perfect condition.

Well I hope this is correct, it's my point of view.

Royal1985 :

Cheers all,
I don't mean to change to subject but I'm a new investor and i was wondering you anyone knows of a real HYIP? I was introduced to "Pathway-2-Prosperity" by a friend. Any advice?

Justin

Well, if you want to find a "real" HYIP then search on hyip.com
Just remember not to find those above