Well, the new high yield fund is still a risk, but worth it.
I personally like invest in Genius Funds because the rate it offer is like FOREX Point Hedge club.
So whatever new from Genius Funds are probably as safe as PanaMoney, FOREX Point Hedge and Infinitiva.

VeriSign may have visited them. If not, why would they give a green?

markP, that robot I use to trade $1200 as my starting capital. You can email me for more information at nycv2@yahoo.com as I can't say that here.
And for Donaldo, stop using norton...it's useless. Those are not attacks, it doesn't even exist.

Hope everyone who lose in Tradelite are able to recover from loss.

I strongly suggest that you guys get a Forex trading robot from www.currencyscalper.com and trade Forex. If you don't have an income to back you up, don't invest in HYIP.
Get the robot, start trading and then you can invest in HYIP. In fact, that robot itself is the one giving you High yield. But after purchasing, don't forget to let me modify it so that it won't blow your account. Suggested broker www.fxdd.com
Test drive that robot several times you'll see it got strategy, rarely blowing accounts.

Hey Alex, is this post breaking rules? Please correct it if I break any rules.

Yes we did choose a good one. It is fully verified. I have the verification engine installed on FireFox 3.
Most of the HYIP with verification certificate are displayed in blue meaning the identity can't be confirm 100% Genius Funds got a green, same status as PayPal Inc, AlertPay Inc, and also some other fully transparent company.

Genius Funds use Veri Sign Inc, which is a better one than COMODO. Veri Sign Inc is the best when it comes to confirming company's identity.

Below are Genius Funds excellent indicators:
1. Variable Interest
2. Live chat from a professional live chat provider
3. Expensive Veri Sign certificate
4. Green status and fully transparent
5. Physical office are present
6. Interest calculated on business days only
7. Expensive website design
8. Large amount of funds spend on advertising campaign

Also a very professional strategy as below:

* Normally, 30% of funds are invested in China, 20% in Eastern Europe, 20% in South America, 15% in the Middle East and the remaining North America.
* 10% of funds are invested in stable economic environments for risk balancing purposes.
* 70% of funds are invested in high yield bonds, 20% in stocks and the remaining funds are traded on futures, options and commodities markets.
* Each individual investment is carefully analyzed. Fund's managers analyze issuer's financial condition, industry position, market and economic conditions before selecting the investments.

Ponzi Scheme won't be able to explain things like that. They are using a very professional strategy.

My FireFox shows this message today: Though the site seems valid, the browser was unable to establish a connection.
This is an improvement. Yesterday it shows: Can't find the server at www.tradelite.net

This means the server is now there. Also some people said the address of whois is at Arizona. What on earth...that belongs to BlackLotus. You see, they register on BLCC. But in whois, it shows BLCC's address, not Tradelite. But the support email is support@tradelite.net still. This is a good news.

Corrections: For 3, it's $150 not $100

Hey guys, while waiting for Tradelite...can you guys read my blog?

http://www.hyip.com/profile/blog_post?post=10812

Please, Regards.

Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. That's correct Calvin, they're performing a security update. This required the whole server shut down before updating.

That's why it said "customers server refusing connection."

Hey TH,
Do you want a Forex trading robot? I think Tradelite is also using one.
Email at nycv2@yahoo.com [Not allowed to promote things here.]

This has happened to Stoic before. Relax, it's not a big deal.

Everyone watch out for No Risk. This is pure gamble. These people thought we're idiot. This company is real, but they are on strike off status just like A3 Union. You can find out about what "strike off" means. Basically they are preparing to scam as soon as they see no more money flow in. So it's a pure gamble. Other HYIP, I don't know. But this one, is a clear scam.

Bank wire minimum $1000 is the best. How can you expect someone to let you use bank wire for a mere $100? If it's too high, don't. They have Liberty Reserve as option, use London Gold Exchange. Also, AlertPay is not very easy to use. So far I haven't seen AlertPay convenient for any company. Not Tradelite, not Marketiva, not Stoic, not even London Gold Exchange.

If you can't afford the fees, don't do it. You probably have too less of capital for this. What you just post is trying to make it more convenient to only you.

Hey, dammit this one is for Tradelite, not Mania Trade ! Put your glasses on man...

faithefin :

So I guess at this point, we just assume we lost our money, right?

Exactly. But just don't say it's a scam, let's say DTP broke. Remember day trading will always be risky. It's profitable, but one losing and you may lose everything.

Hello Alex,
Here's my questions.

1. Is there any plan for a debit card?
2. How much capital they have?
3. Can investors have a look at their legal documents?

That's it.

jinnu :

One of my contracts got matured on 7th this month. I requested to load the profit to my debit card the same day. I could login to my debit card details yesterday.( it takes 24-72 hrs to load money into the debitcard).After changing passwords, i tried to withdraw and it was SUCCESSFUL. I have withdrawn currency equivalent to $495.00. I hope this will clears doubts about the debit card to some extent.

Hey jinnu,
Which website are you logging on for the card? Is it Tradelite or the card website? Can you tell me the url?

If the stoic still standing after March 2009, I think I'll get in with $12,000

Think like the hacker, you'll know it.

First the hacker open a safeatom account, then he set your account. He invest with your money, your account. Then he change his own account to his safeatom account.

Or like code said, anyone can register LR account with any username.

Wenbo :

i tried to call their listed Tel (Asia/Pacific) three times, but never get through. I am sure this a tel number is from Shanghai, China(I myself was from that city). Do anyone have experience with their tel? I am still watching this one and also the panamoney.

wenbo

What number are you calling? Are you sure it is correct?

Hey happysmart. The another 600 days are gone for planning. A program like Largesum is a serious one. No pyramid could last more than 1 year or 17 months. Largesum lasted 3 years. It's not a company I think, but are involved in real trading or some others like Forex or commodities.

So, like you said this forum is for Tradelite. I too, will stop here.

Check this up guys. Looks potential.

Yoman, first would you give away your personal details? You asked Neil about it. Why don't you tell me your personal details instead?

Yoman, or anyone else involved in this "discussion" I'll just state something here to support the right side.

HYIP is originally legitimate investment program, which is a long time ago Yoman. Now HYIP are mixed up. HYIP today are involved in any of the categories below:

1. Stock trading only.
2. Forex only.
3. Pyramid.
4. Commodities trading.
5. Gambling. (Yes, they used our money gambling in casino.)
6. Mixed. (Pyramid + Another category.)

HYIP is a good place to make money, IF you are good enough in spotting the right one at the right time. This is NOT bingo. You need the following:

1. Luck.
2. Big capital, but invest small.
3. Never take it too seriously.
4. Observation skills, logical thinking.

Take it too seriously, and you'll end up with no earnings or lose everything. For Yoman, it's no earnings. For the rest who believed too much, lose everything sooner or later. HYIP is a game, yes. I don't agree with 99% luck though. It's 70% luck, the rest is your logical thinking and your observation skills.

Alot of investors including Proof and the others are raking alot of profits out of HYIP. Why? Simply because they know what is HYIP, they know the right timing. Even if they lose, they can cover up the bad investment with the good one in their portfolio and still earn money.

Some of you may laugh at the word "investment" that I used. But believe me, it's the same. Putting your money to work for more money IS investment.

To Yoman, you are not suitable in HYIP. Go find the real company, it's almost impossible to find a company with no problems in HYIP. As long as they pay, they are ok to go. All HYIP, be it real, fake, pyramid or anything, they will fall at some point. Even DTP was killed by the problems they're having. DTP involved in real trading, but since they're day traders they have risk, and there it go "HYIP".

That is HYIP, from my point of view. Correct me if I'm wrong.

karita :

I will also agree with you. After 2 weeks no news, and I also believe that Chris did not have an accident, that was a good tactic. Chris was very responsible and he was the IT specialist and the Traders or whoever that was responsable for DTP wanted to leave us elegantly using this excuse.
Once more we have being betrayed from these ONLINE Gangsters. I personally have enough of this and would never invest one penny without seeing the person in his eyes, knowing his address, tel, email, fax, etc. etc and even copy of his passport. Otherwise we are playing BINGO or we are in a CASINO without seeing with whom we are playing.
This is it and I hope we can stop giving away our money and stop gambling online.
It is sad, all I can say to you is lets please lets use our Wisdom!

I don't think so. I think they have some really bad trades. Chris involving in accident, Altergold panic, e-Bullion crushed, banning of short-selling. All these are enough to bring DTP down. If that's a tactic they're using, why use that? They already know people won't invest large sum unless they start to pay the e-Bullion balance into another. If that was a tactic, what for? If they want scam, then scam. A pyramid is impossible to stand more than 365 days. There must be real trading involve to get DTP through 365 days.

If they really want to leave us using an excuse, I can tell you that they do not even need to do that. Real scammers leave in 24 hours. For SaInv, that giant is merely trying to get money. But DTP had that 600 days record, it can not be pyramid.

Remember, the ban of short-selling started only after DTP down. After a few days, you can see your browser found the server, which isn't completely on yet. That's when DTP was about to get online. But after the ban of short-selling, they turn off everything. Clearly losing alot of money.

I do hope these traders revise their strategies, and run a better program. Their skills are still good to use. And karita, yes you're right is some point. We are playing BINGO, but only to the common. You can easily predict the professional scammer by thinking like them.

Personally I do not know. But a few days after their website is down, the host server could not be found. Then after that the host server is back online, but website cannot be access. Then now again, can't find the host server.

I think here's some possibility:
1. They scam, which is impossible.
2. They broke, or lose alot which is possible considering the market crisis.
3. They got scammed by Altergold out of alot of money, which cannot be confirmed.
4. Their technician aren't very experience to work fast.
5. They accidentally messed up their scripts.
6. The banning of short-selling affected their trading strategy, and thus they cannot continue.

rae :

nycv, thanks for your reply and forgive my ignorance as I sort this out.

So from your explanation of my question regarding the banning of short sells the way they are now going to make money is by long positions and/or waiting for the stock to go up?

Of coarse there are other stocks they may be able to short sell, but I was just curious as to whether or not this banning affected their strategy, admin stated that there was a lot of money to be made by shorts sells and that much of their profit came from this strategy and this posting was posted before the ban.

I am curious.

Either they're using an offshore brokerage account, non-affected. Or they change their strategy.

Anyway, they didn't say much of their profits came from that strategy. They only say that "through the last time we have placed our positions of short sale and short CFD mostly and got tremendous income!"
meaning before the whole thing went down, they use this strategy. They did not rely on this strategy.

Rustysouth :

Hey NYCV,
This one going well for you? It looks like one that I will get into shortly.

Get the latest FireFox version. It will show you that this company exists, verified by VeriSign Inc.
VeriSign is far more better than Comodo. A website with a VeriSign seal is a very serious one. I believe this should be the next star. Maybe even better than that A3 Union (You remember right?) It may even be a non-pyramid.

Also, remember the risk is yours to take. Just this one is way lower.

Wait a second, their server is up now. Not the website. Last few days when you try to connect, your browser will say "Looking up"
Now it reads "connecting"

I hope they prove I'm right.

SteveO :

Hi out there do anyone know what's going on with DTP. I don't like the way this is looking. It fells a lot like GPI. I just hope that they can get someone to help out and do what Chris's job is until he can make it back.

It's only 6 days. Consider DTP lifetime, I would say let's allow them until next week. 7 more days that is.

rae :

NeilKerry :

Don't worry, be happy

Dear investors!

Through the last time we have numerous requests from our investors about late problems with Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch purchase by AmEx and following downflow of indexes.
We officially state that this has no negative effect to our incomes, furthermore, - through the last time we have placed our positions of short sale and short CFD mostly and got tremendous income! Thanks to this we are glad to announce that our per cent will be maximal through the next 5 days! We do care about our investors by fact and in person, not about virtual prestige and image of something virtual. And we share our profits in a fair way, - any time, whatever happens!

--------------------
With best regards,
Neil Kerry,
Financial manager and co-founder of the guaranteed hedge fund The Stoic and company Stoic Capital Management Inc
http://www.stoic-capital.com

NeilKerry, rae here, I am fairly new to comment on these sites, however I read any and all information on any site I am ready to invest in (sometimes that takes quite a while). How does the the government band on short sell on 799 financial stock affect your plan. This happen just today Sept 19, 2008. I understand much money was made and could be made by selling those short stock, now what is the plan in a down market? Btw, it also seems that those who are investing in hyips should also try to invest their own portfolios in a variety of hyips which claim to get their income from different sources (ie, nuclear power, foriegn exchange, etc.) otherwise all will be affect by the same events, correct?

No, that is incorrect. Not all stocks are going down. Besides, after the banning of short selling, stocks like AIG rose. A trader or investor can simply change their plan to long position. They can do this by predicting which stocks will go up in price, buy it and wait. Then sell when the price goes up and profits from it.

Rustysouth :

Yeah NYCV is correct Sept 1st is the news update. All they did is give us info on what happened to Chris and did not change the date on site. Chris get well soon and our prayers are with you. So lets wait for further update on situation and not panic and flood them with emails.
Peace
Rusty

Well, all we can do is wait. DTP is going through tough time, but I believe they will stand as long as the traders are working. Gosh, this DTP is like some sort of treasure to us. Right Rusty?

No, that's wrong. The date refers to news update. The one on site saying Chris involved in an accident is a notice, not news. September 1st is last news update, not notice.

They finished transfering the scripts, and they already told us that the website will be down for a couple of days.

Hey guys, let's do something for DTP. Let's stop making deposits, and stop emailing them. Wait until they are able to process deposits and reply to emails. That way they will have less work loads. Stop withdrawing too, at least for a while. We don't want to stuffed too much work loads to them do we?

Planmate :

9/12/2008 11:31 56218xx U9243089 (Olympex) $134.00

paid without problems.

Sorry, but we don't believe 1 post newbie. If you're not paid voter, I'm sorry. We simply can't trust you, I'm not saying you're lying.

Dapper :

I'm sorry to hear about Chris.

Doesn't DTP have a backup admin? What would have happened before if he went on vacation or fell ill?

I don't think they have any backup admin. You can't expect someone to stay still waiting to back the administration. Also if you're running a serious program like DTP you need to be serious. And you can only let someone you trust to be in the group. But according to news, they're already looking for a temporary admin.

Guys, this is terrible. Chris is involved in a car accident, it's on website news. Anyway guys, I hope no one start a panic going "DTP not paying" I think I'll hit the first person doing that.

Anyway, I can answer questions related to DTP. Note that I'm not an official staff of DTP nor they hire me, just volunteer to help out on this forum until Chris get back.

Don't get panic guys, remember DTP is a honest program. We all know that, if not they would've close immediately. Hey Proofs, I'm sure you agree too. Let's support DTP through all these hardships. Hope Chris get well soon. I don't think new deposits will work for a while, no one there to process or check I think.

5 days Proof. They pay on business days. For weekly funds, it will be credited every Monday.

Ratewell :

Hi guys! I started to work with this program since may - there's no problem. I've invested here more than $1500 and all is still ok! Withdrawals are instant, support is fast.. janet, why should we believe you?

Because I myself have trouble withdrawing, not until 4 attempts. So all we need is for Janet to post a link to screenshot.

janet :

hi everyone janet here,
my investment was mature and pay from yesterday but i have been
trying to withdraw and it only allow me $50,yesterday,and $50 today it wont
allow me to withdraw my$3800 as any have this problem before.
and i contact admin from yesterday no answer.

Do you get any message about withdrawal limited? Are you using the same computer as you did when you register? Try withdraw alot of times until you managed to do it. Try $400 each time. This looks like A3 Union.

Paying nicely so far.

Mstrhappyman :

Altough I havnt invested into DTP yet, I am a little skittish about Alter Gold, as well as most payment processors these days... They always seem to go down alot! E-Gold was just terrible in my opinon. I dont know if this helps Chris, but I wish most HYIPs used epassporte. Altough it is more U.S. based, they do provide a visa/debit card and is accepted worldwide. I have also found them much much easier to get money in and out DIRECTLY through them. Check em out.

Also if you live in the US> The easiest way I have found to get Liberty Reserve is to use Exchanges Plus, after setting up a SolidTrustPay account. (scan and verify your account and bank information.) From there, just exchange LR to Alter gold with the various exchangers posted on the LR site. Most are trustworthy. The only draw back is the time. Solid Trust seems to be kinda slow at verifying accounts, but I havnt had a problem with them so far. (It sadly, took 2 weeks to go through the whole LR process to AG my first time.) I also verify that STP is a pretty good exchanger. I think their visa/debit card however is a little expensive. (including a Monthly membership fee STP: $5.00) (epassporte: Annual Fee US$5.00)

One last thing, I was wondering if DTP has ever used Liberty Reserve, and if so, what was their experience? Forgive me, but I havnt read through all of the discussions to find out... Thanks everyone & safe investing!

Well, first of all Chris said some of the traders does not want to get verified. This is true if you ask me, and even I don't like it for my own reasons. Liberty Reserve is a close system, you need an exchanger. But with DTP funds growing, no exchanger are able to handle it. So, STP and LR is out. The only options here:

LR, Pecunix, EPAY, Webmoney. Out of these, LR and Pecunix are out. Webmoney is in Russian, and Chris said they don't trust Russians as alot of scams is in Russians, not all though. But dislike is dislike. Chris said they're trying out EPAY, so I guess we'll wait and see.

MS :

OMG, i can't blv this site is still standing out strong! Hi, guys! How are things going?

DTP is a HYIP based on trading. Of course it's still standing, it's not a pyramid. That's why.

proof :

Hi Chris and Nycv tell me more re; epay as i am having serious technical problems with AG as each time i try to spend an error massage comes up and they have solve the problem with is also happening to my friend so I have money in AG but cannot invest due to error problem so I hope they finnally sort out same quickly.

from proof

Hi Proof,
EPAY is a type of currency. But it's not popular among HYIP investors recently, because they disabled e-currency totally. It allows you to fund with wire transfer. And the withdraw, either wire transfer or you can buy a debit card and withdraw with it. I've used their debit card once, but cancelled it due to the banning of e-currency from their system. But if DTP is to use it, I think alot of people will use it for sure. I never have problems with epay. That's all the info I have.

............you are dead pal. i would rather invest that in day trade pros. it yield about 20k with 100 days compound. make this a lesson.

chris :

Hi nycv,

we will check it out. Thanks for your work. Does anybody has any experience with that payment processor.

Chris

Well Chris, if there's no one else then I afraid I'm the only one hyip.com unless someone here start to use it. From what I know, this payment processors have about 11k accounts based on my account number. I have used their debit card until they stop accepting Pecunix and e-Bullion that is. But the transactions are fast. (e-currency to card transactions)

So from my view it's good. But I don't know if anyone here used it.

Jet :

Hi, is it safe to put my email address here?
My email address starts with Jit.........mes@aol.com

Hey Jet, have you receive the payment? Just want to make sure, since we lost track of the payments we processed on the list and your account is the checking point on our list.

I found a good payment processor, the question is it can no longer accept e-currency.
www.epayarea.com
It doesn't require verification to wire funds into the account, but is only suit for transfer larger than $400 if you count the bank fees. EPAY itself does not charge fees for incoming wire.
Is this a good option Chris? It's same as STP but no verification required.

Commun :

Chris,

Today's news mentioning that traders do not like LibertyReserve because of the exchanger involvment.
They don't trust exchangers, or what?
My impression is that exchange fees are similar.

I think the reason here is because Liberty Reserve is a close system. You cannot wire funds directly into Liberty Reserve. The only way is through exchangers. If the exchangers are short of LRUSD or USD, DTP would be in trouble. So I think it's a wise choice that DTP doesn't use Liberty Reserve.

Ok guys, here goes the new plan.

Dapper :

Why doesn't DTP use the AlterGold shopping cart interface instead of having us copy and paste the transaction info unto their site?

Because someone might cheat the system by altering the receiving account of DTP to their own. I hope I'm right.

Hey guys, I'm still revising my plan. So if I change all of sudden, don't get alarmed. The current investors will stick to old plan. It'll probably be changed to daily plan with longer term. So please don't deposit for the moment. And Jet, don't worry. Yours stick to old plan.

Jet :

Hi, is it safe to put my email address here?
My email address starts with Jit.........mes@aol.com

Hello,
Yes I got it. Batch 5161120. Sorry guys, there are no redirect page after spends.

I received first payment. It's 1.1% today.

Hey there proof, it can't be help. But however I would like to blame half of this to AGI admin. Didn't you guys have any backup for the database? Try creating backup dammit !

Half of this, well I blame it on the scammers that take AGI down.

Jet :

Hello,

I just invested in this website, but didn't get any confirmation email or anything.
Please let me know if everything is ok.
Thanks

What's the email you use Jet? I can check it.

225 days is the term after you bought a minimum of 10 shares. If you purchase additional shares and the value of the additional shares you purchase is more than 50% of your current shares, it will be reset back to 225 days. After the term you can sell your shares.

Payments are done weekdays. For weekly plan, they pay on Monday. They also have CD account at 6% a month for 3 months.

That's all I know.

lyn :

Hi nycv,
The website is working fine.If i invest $100,interest is 3% daily for 5 trading days or i get only 3% for the duration?

Hello, the interest are variable according to what I earn. 3% is the minimum and 15% is the max. The interest are calculated for the whole duration, not daily.

Rustysouth :

Hey NYCV,
Do you email and let us know when you receive are deposit and do you email and let us know when you deposit into our account?

Well, there won't be any email notifications. I don't think it's necessary. But you can always email me to ask about it.

Anyway, thanks proof for your support.

Not sure what you mean proof. If you mean the template, it's copied from EliteMoney.net since I'm not a designer. And if you mean payous, it's directly to your LR account.

akashefi12 :

Wow...So, that is it for my very FIRST investment?? Well, that was the easiest $200 I have ever lost... So much for the 3-4 pages of optimistic posts about the o so faithful "James of SAinv"..Anyone have any HOT HYIPs right now they are in???

Don't blame us. Someone post about contacting FBI, now SAINV is gone because of that one stupid post. Anywhere, I'm watching geniusfunds.com now. Looks good to me if you ask.

Hey guys, check this up. This one looks good, but I'll wait until 14 days.

markP :

so does that mean you closed the other program?

Yes, I'm going to take the website down in a few days. If you make any deposits there it'll all be return plus fees and profits.

Hey guys, check up my website. Tell me if it works.

Things are clear now. Sainv is not scam at all.

Hey guys, cheer up. I'm going to open my own HYIP soon, with real trading of course. The name will be Gold Investment Club. It's same as AG Investment Club, except they trade physical gold. I trade on Marketiva. So if anyone want to be a volunteer support staff, contact me. Oh, and MarkP I will close my current club. Anyone who invest in my current club will have all their deposits back.

I'm off topic here, sorry Alex.

Guys, the problem here is Liberty Reserve. But is anyone getting paid in another currency? I noticed LR is not always available. So it explains that. But if Pecunix, maybe Pecunix also have a problem. Notice that Stoic already removed Pecunix, and Altergold do not accept it as well. Just my view.

glo :

NeilKerry :

Dear customers!

As far as e-Gold and Pecunix payment systems stay unstable and of high volatility and risk to loose liquidity due to unresolved legal problems they have. We have made a principal decision to suspend acceptance of investments deposited by e-Gold or Pecunix.
This decision does not effect any way the present investors who used e-gold or Pecunix 013 all the owed earned and principal amounts of funds will be paid them without any changes as per the plan they have chosen.
For more convenience to our investors we are working on expanding the variety of e-currencies acceptable to Alter Gold (http://www.altergold.com) and Perfect Money (http://perfectmoney.com).
Also, meeting the clients' requests our company has decided to work out technology to accept deposits by wire transfer. To represent this way of investment and payment - we have to complete our programming and legal terms for this technology. As we plan it will take 35-45 days.

Please watch for our news and updates.

Neil Kerry,
Financial manager and co-founder of the guaranteed hedge fund The Stoic and company Stoic Capital Management Inc
http://www.stoic-capital.com

Mr Kerry, What are your intentions concerning the hundreds of us who have invested with e-bullion and are unable to withdraw funds via another funder or reinvest them without a VERY long commitment? Our intent was to make a large deposit in December when our current investment matures. However, with hundreds of dollars sitting, unable to be withdrawn and NOT EARNING ANY INTEREST is causing us to reconsider! Taking the handling of the EB fiasco now nearly a month old, makes one wonder if this happens in the future and handled in the same manner investing a much larger amount this would result in a huge loss - TIME IS MONEY!!!

Well glo, I'm not sure if I'm correct but...Stoic offers the deposit options because it was "convenient" to us. Because some of us use only EB, and Stoic main intentions is for the EB users. However, we choose to use EB ourselves so we had to take responsibility on our own choice.

The company can choose to offer or not to offer us to withdraw with another e-currencies. Remember, if Stoic allow it, it can cause cash flow problems. Unless a company have taken precautious steps before this happens. Also, Stoic is NOT an exchanger.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

jkp1304 :

Hello,

Is it still safe to invest with Daytradepros after the possible EB crash?
Or should I wait and see if EB get up and running again?

I have been following this tread for a while now and Chris looks like a trustworthy guy, I just don019t know if they have lost a pile of money in EB.

Is there any news in the EB case?

The only way to deposit now is through Altergold. All the loss is non-related to Altergold user so rest assured. It is safe to invest with DTP. Besides more deposit not only profitable to the investors, but also help DTP to recover as fast as possible since they'll have more money to trade with.

stevenjohnuk :

HELLO ROOM,

I HAVE A BIG QUESTIONS REGARDING SAFEATOM. WHAT DID THEY MEANT BY NUMBER 1F? DOES THIS MEAN THAT IF YOU EARN LIKE 500 USD THEY WILL TAKE OUT 50% FROM THE MONEY WHEN YOU ARE ABOUT TO WITHDRAW? SOMEBODY HELP....

AND AGIN I WANT TO KNOW IF SAFETOM FOR REAL? IF YES WHATS THE BEST CHOICE FOR COMPOUNDING?

1. INVESTMENT CONDITIONS

1a. Deposits can be accepted via online payment system Liberty Reserve (it provides exchange of all existent e-money including e-gold, e-bullion and so on).

1b. Deposits are accepted for the term of 150 days. Each new deposit is accepted for its own term. The basic contribution is returned to investor on the expiration of given period.

1c. Minimum deposit amounts 1 USD. Any deposits less than 1 USD won019t be entered in an account of the investor and will be granted to the investment fund 018Safe Atom019.

1d. Total balance consists of the sum of all active deposits (the term of 150 days of these deposits is not over yet).

1e. Profit is added to your total balance every day and 7 days a week. Profit depends on the level of your account and amounts 2% daily.

1f. The Investor is able to withdraw the deposit at any time before the deadline (before the expiration of 150 days). But 50% fee from withdrawal amount is deducted.

1g. When the balance amounts to 200 USD extra 20 USD will be added as bonus to the balance of investor.

No. 1F is about your principal. If you withdraw your principal before contract expiration, you will be charge 50% fees.

If you're ready to risk your money, compound. If you want to be safe, don't compound.

TH :

Assuming normal function of their servers, and I realize that wasn't the case over the last few days, what is the longest anybody's deposit has taken to show up in their account?

I made a deposit the day before they went down, and now a day after they came back it isn't in the account. I've sent an inquiry to admin (via several e-mail addresses). I'm only asking so I can know when to expect it to show.

Well, here's the reminder. They are having a database problem. That's why.

soteren :

The game is over now!

It is a SCAM now!

The website is not reachable,E-mails were not answered!
Three days before I invested 100 $ .
Fraudolent!!!!!

Excuse me, but have you check the website today? It's only a short downtime and you're already complaining. Of course the email were not answer, they did not receive it since the email address are attached to the domain name.

Go check now, if you don't believe it give me you account informations. I'll take your money.

Also you have only 1 post, there are a possibility that you are taking the chance to post bad as a paid voter. But who knows. If you're not a paid voter, please check the website NOW.

Ok, hang on a second. I realized I just missed out something. Most HYIP investors use e-currencies. So isn't it a little inconvenient with the STP? The only deposit method that use e-currency will be e-gold, which carry a 25% charge. (You're kidding me, 25%?! )

Sure it would be ok, but to some investors it would not be ok. About the cash flow, I don't know. But from my point of view, I still think there are a few percentage of chances that it could happen. But then again, I maybe wrong.

Tree :

About cash flow, I'd say it is the opposite: more investment options in the program give more flexibility to investors. From management's point of view, it should not matter because from each payment processor, money are going into one place for trading (similar and a one-time exchange fees for processors across). As As far as payouts go, how much needs to be deposited into each of payment processors, is known in advance, because there are clear records of initial investments.
In addition, having several processors on board, helps reduce the risk of getting stuck when one of them has some sort of a trouble (DDoS, owner arrest, what have you...)

Yes, that's why I said I maybe wrong. Thanks for the corrections, that's very informative.

SteveO :

Hi Chris I don't know all what's involved in getting an other payment processor but what about solid trust pay?

Hi there SteveO
I don't think DTP can offer STP. The bank wire deposit is not available. I've just signed up a few days ago because it's looks good. But what DTP need is the option to wire money into account. Accordingly an account holder will need to contact STP first before sending a wire transfer. Now that's very troublesome. You need to actually contact every time you want to deposit with wire transfer.

Also remember, using too many types of currencies may cause some cashflow problems.

But that's just my opinion, it maybe wrong. So I guess let's see what Chris answer is.

Freddy :

time&chance :

I have 90 usd in this one thats supposed to mature today in the 15day plan. Of course it was done through e-b. And of course when I emailed them concerning the transfer to liberty reserve or alter gold, it was a big NO. Has anyone been able to successfully withdraw an e-b investment through liberty reserve or alter gold with these people?

Also, is the plan stilll paying? I was planning another investment through perfect money and solid trust pay.

I invested US$1490.00 through E-Bullion before they got into trouble and got confirmation email from E-Bullion that the money was sent to SAI. Now I email SAI admin daily regarding my payment and was told ridiculus excuses that they are trying to contact E-Bullion admin and the US government. This is not true.So what if E-Bullion never return? I sent to SAI my liberty reserve account # and also my Aftergold account number but was told the same story that they are waiting on E-B. They received my money that was processed throuh E-B which means they already have the money and has nothing to do with E-B anymore. All other hyip programs that received money through E-B are using Aftergold and other processors to pay there clients why cant SAI do the same?
A copy of the email from admin SAI
Hello,

You cannot receive your payment in other e-currency.

You will receive your profit directly to the E-bullion account you
invested from, as soon as the e-bullion website is back online!

Our lawyers in Panama are trying to contact the administration of EB
and the US government for details.

We apologize for any inconvenience the delay answer caused.

Please do not hesitate to contact us if you
have any further question(s).

Best Regards,
SAInvestment Co, Inc.
Panama

Do you mean you want SAI to compensate your loss which has nothing to do with them? Your post are very selfish. Everyone suffers loss from the e-Bullion event. Ridiculous? I'm sorry to say but the one ridiculous is you.

Here's what you want:
Compensation for e-Bullion losses which got nothing to do with SAI.
Blaming a program for the e-Bullion event.
Selfish and only want what's good for yourself.

Think about it. They are NOT exchanger. And no one want to compensate for your loss, because they lose money themselves.
I'm sorry if it's insulting you accidentally.

You're right in some case. But if you're staying away from sites that do not offer instant withdraw to LR, that's just strange. This one theory of yours is proven to be useless. Because even if a HYIP offer this type of system, they're not always ok to invest.

That's just my opinion. But really, according to you, are you saying DTP is not good? It's been around for more than 1 year and proved to be involved in real trading. Well anyway, happy investing. Just remember to stay away from sites with common design, such as the cheap purchase template even if it looks professional.

[Sorry for getting off topic as this thread is for Stoic only.]

After your investment terms end, go to your account. Select "Principal" then click on "release deposit" or something like that. You'll get a warning about losing 20%, but don't worry. As long as it says "days left" is 0, you get it 100% back.

The principal are paid at end of term, 20 days for the first plan.

And one more thing Nevous. What do you mean traders can lose alot of money this year? Don't tell me you only trade long position. Some traders use short selling strategies to get profits. So if the market is going up or down, you can still profits. That of course, depends on how good the trader is.

For Stoic, yes I have doubt if they are good trader or ponzi. Let time prove it.

Those 45 days programs you're talking about, I don't compare them. They're totally set up to scam, pure scam. Why are you telling me about them?

nevous :

Also nycv, I don't think a lot of people are investing more than 5k per program. From what i see the median must be around 1k.

Excuse me, but I didn't say or think people are investing more than 5k. You seems to mistook my statement. Please read it again.

I was only saying that it's possible to reach hundred thousands with a 15k, and that 1 million is only the max. I did say the only thing "we can doubt" is Stoic really involved in trading. I didn't say you should invest that much.

TH :

Anybody else notice that the 5 day plan is now "coming soon"? I'm wondering if this is a normal occurrence for a shorter term plan to just up and disappear like that, or if this is a warning sign that the program is having difficulties in the short term and needs to "take a breath". In recent experience, changes in plans has heralded a problem with the program (4fxtrader, for example).

On the other hand, I did receive my most recent 5 day deposit today, on time, as usual. So if the plan were having problems, payments would likely be delayed, no? Any thoughts?

This is an error. They probably did something wrong to the codes.

TH :

Obviously it's my timing. Any suggestions?

First when you found a potential program, wait until you see people paying. Then you invest when the site is ok on it's 20th day. Or maybe you should start as first?

Anyway, good luck.

(The strategy I offer only get the risk to the lowest. The risk is still there.)

TH :

You have GOT to be f**king kidding me!!!! I made my first deposit in this program YESTERDAY, and the site goes down the next day?!?!?!

Am I cursed?!?!? Is EVERY program I choose to invest in doomed?!?!?

Unbefrickinlievable!!!!

(And if anybody says "let's wait this out - it might not last long", I'll point to alcoholding, FFG, among others that have been touted as GREAT PROGRAMS, which subsequently disappeared!)

Sorry if I sound too negative. But experience has to count for something. And my experience has been pretty damned crappy!

TH, your timing is the problem for you. You have a bad sense of timing. Fix it and you'll get profits in HYIP. Also I am not yet given up on AG yet until 7 more days.

That is strange. I believe there are mistype errors. $20 min and $50 min, these 2 minimums are the mistype. I believe it's $20 minimum.

Excuse me, may I interrupt your "wtf" statement? You're not yet reaching the professional trader level. Yes it is possible. But that one million is the maximum. There's no guarantee you'll get it. You'll likely get somewhere about 700,000. The only thing we can't be sure, is Stoic really involved in trading? That's all we can doubt. But reaching one million, if you're a god you reach the maximum profits.

Remember, experienced trader can make up to 20% a day with average 3% to 5% minimum like what DTP said.

I don't know if this may sound like an insult, but I'm not.

Ender Wiggins :

well, although it might help in the beginning, with sites like FFG and alcohold where you do not know when it will go down, no structure will work.

Btw, have not seen Alex for a while, LOL are you out of jail buddy? :D

You are wrong. It will work. If we're in profits, it's considered "working". Although when there's alot of people using this strategy, it will no longer work. But right now, it will work well.

Ok I guess this is it. Next stop for me...Tradelite, Sainv, Ejendomsinvest...and of course our good old DayTradePros.

Hello everyone. How's AG? Is this HYIP still paying? I'm considering to make a deposit here.

chris :

Hi all,

the deposit was a reinvestment from account balance. We are trading like crazy, with the funds we have left in our daytrading accounts, to make some money to put into Altergold. If we would have used those funds to make payouts, we wouldn't have any to trade. We are trying really hard, and once we put some funds into Altergold, we will have to limit the withdrawals, so everybody will get something, until we catch up. This is not an easy task, so please be patient with us.

Thanks, Chris, admin

Hi Chris,
You said that DTP have to limit the withdrawals once DTP put some funds into Altergold. Is it applied only to e-bullion investors? Will there be limit to Altergold investors?

Thanks

This website is officially problem now. Cashflow problems, no support, loss of funds. FFG is out on my list now until no problems.

Michael and FTG, enough with the fake. We are not idiot, the name Michael only got 1 post. A "fictional character"

The interest rate already proved it scam. You're kidding me, if it's true everyone would be millionaire in 1 week by investing 10,000 USD. I had to remind you that there are experts on hyip.com who are not stupid. Proof, glo, lordxan and alot more. Can you back us all off with your idiotic lies? I don't think so.

Well markP, I didn't get it. But I'll email you through the one list in you profile. Right now I got to sleep, I'll email you tomorrow.

Anyway, good luck DTP ! Be the number 1 !

Hey guys, anyone see the deposits? DTP got 9k deposits today. I think the situation is getting better now.

Nice piece of information Alex. That really explained what a batch is.

Guys, I advice not to invest yet. Until FFG start paying again. If they don't, well then it's scam. Even my withdrawals is pending. Username wayhuck if anyone need to confirm it.

markP :

hey nycv are you still doing your own website? I couldnt find it anymore

Yes my website is still open. Email at nycv2@yahoo.com I can't give you link here as it is forbidden.

Nice strategy. It's the safest, but may pull down the profits percentage. First, when you invest, treat one as ponzi. Always pay attention to total deposits minus total withdrawal. When it get too near about 50% against 50% get out quick. When withdrawals clearly exceeds deposits, like DTP then it's safe. (If it was stock trading that is.)

Yes Masterwing, it is my own evaluation.
I know how a half ponzi work because I myself have researched HYIP since I'm 16. But it isn't always right.
These HYIP pay us with many e-currencies. How they do that? Here's how.

For one, they know how to trade Forex. Number 2 they know how to run a ponzi. First they accept some payment options. Next they add a brand new payment option by exchanging average sum of money to new currencies in order to pay investor in new currencies. (Which is rare, sometimes they only need to open the payment options and deposits will flow in.)

When one currency is lacking, they exchange some from their largest amount of currencies available. This may means they are losing, but over long term they are winning. All combined currency will add up into profits. If FFG lose e-bullion in large amount, they will have flow problems.

The only HYIP that depends on 100% real trading will only be DayTradePros.

Excuse me for a little. Here's the details.

FFG have cashflow problems. Which is why. They are right in this matter. But when not responding, they are wrong.

That's it. You all don't have to put on a "Show" for it. Not everyone is right, and not everyone is wrong at this case. FFG Trading is a half ponzi anyway, so if they can't get through they may decide to scam. Don't invest, and start withdrawing.

So FFG have negative, and positive.

akashefi12 :

Hello all,
I am very new to HYIP and I have been seeing a lot of payment proofs from members of the HYIP community, most of which look something like this :

date : 10-10-08
batch : 123455
AMOUNT : $13.50?????

I think I am confused on what that really means...Is this the average made on each day throughout your investment? Or, is this the grand total profit made from on an investment or what? I ask because while 13.50 could benefit me, I am looking to make more like $1350.00! Any information on this would be greatly appreciated...

It's depends on the program. If a program pay daily interest, weekly interest, monthly interest then the proofs is profits made from an investments. If a program pay principal and profits at end of term, then it's principal and profits.

Hi telessuor,
Just in case Chris didn't see your questions, I have 2 version of explanations which Chris might say.

Explanation 1:
They're arranging it. DTP is starting to trade with new funds and previous funds which are not transfered to e-bullion at the time of this problems. They're trading with pooled funds now to recover the loss, and all trading profits go into Altergold. It may not be now, but DTP will certainly pay with Altergold to you when the loss is covered.

Explanation 2:
DTP is waiting to see if e-bullion is coming back. If it doesn't, DTP will cover the loss. (Which of course take some time. Probably longer than expected since the funds going down with e-bullion is in very big amount. I'm guessing that DTP may only cover the principal.)

(All these may not be the explanation that Chris will give to you. I'm only guessing.)

Rustysouth :

Why doesnt DTP add Liberty Reserve? They have many people who use this e-currency. It would get them going quicker than alter-gold. That is my 2 cents for the day.
Peace
Rusty

No Rusty. Adding Altergold is the best options. Adding Altergold is same as adding LR but with more advantages. You see, in order to trade the money they had to wire it to their trading account. LR does not allow in or out wire transactions. The only way to do it is through exchangers, which they would be in trouble if the exchangers does not have enough national currency to fund their trading account.

Altergold can be fund with LR at NO FEES. Altergold can be withdrawn into DTP trading account. I wrote to Chris last time about this. He said Altergold meets all the requirements.

DTP add Altergold because as you said "many people used LR" which makes Altergold the best choice.
(All these reasonings are not 100% accurate)

I haven't deposit using Altergold yet. But I will soon. DTP is the top HYIP, you'd be crazy if you don't deposit.

You're right Rusty. Alex can you please list this "antique" as not paying? Or at least problem.
Thanks

Ok guys, I'm going to invest large amount here. The more DTP have, the faster they recover. Now who's with me? We certainly can't waste their day trading skills.

Website outage for a while. But today it's fine.

Don't worry Chris. We all know DTP is trading for real, and DTP has been here helping alot of people to earn for almost 2 years. So if we don't support you, we lose.

Hey guys, I say let's support DTP through this. We can lose a solid program if we don't, and I won't take it. Let's give DTP our full support through this problem.

ace88 :

hi
i deposited 3000$ 4/8/2008
but my account is expire
my id and password is exact
but no enter
i received new password
but no enter
why?
help me please..

Impossible. These passwords recovery scripts work automatically. This is not possible. Besides you have 3 SIMILIAR posts. How can we trust you? Unless you have at least 30 posts.

It is still too early to say it's scam.

Well, it's just my opinion. But I think this really messed up DTP working order. DTP may now need more time, and we had to wait patiently. As far as I know DTP is solid, so we can trust DTP.

Well, at my opinion I think we can't do anything if we have any loss with e-bullion. DTP may need to start over, and process only Altergold investments.

(I'm saying that if anything happens, we can't rely on DTP for refund. It isn't DTP fault. I hate to say this, but if DTP got alot of funds with e-bullion, DTP may need to restart with Altergold. And investors have to..."forget about their current investments")

Hey Alex,
Why is this listed as problem? I don't see any problems, is there?

Received payment. Reinvested.

Ok, that did it. I think it's time to see if EB still safe or not. If it wasn't...well then DTP would be greatly affected. And it's up to us to support DTP through this problem. One thing is sure, I'm with DTP.

I just hope the refunds is available for users if something happens.

This may means e-bullion will be close. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Hey guys, anyone got pending withdrawals? I have one pending about 24 hours. Anyway, this is NOT an alarm. It happened before. But if alot of people have this problem, it may means Liberty Reserve API is not working fast enough, or maybe FFG robot is slow.

Thanks for the information Proof. I think this alone will be enough to convince anyone it's not pyramid. If it was pyramid no one will pay out more than $8000

I'm going in with $5000 on December.

Reply for you Vex.
The reason PIN was change is because if someone hack from 99999 downward to 00001 they will have your PIN. This is done by script. Next your passwords, do not give out your address, or anything that you use to register with LR to anyone. Birth date are included. Expose 1 and your whole account will be hacked. Master key? No problem to recover once they recover your passwords with your details.

Basically all problems start from the user, it has none related to LR security.

Hey guys, have anyone depend on DTP return for living expenses and investment on other HYIP?
Anyway guys, now I believe DTP is the lowest risk of all. I've seen DTP since about 2006 somewhere between december end and january 2007. I believe it's the best.

proof :

Hi all I got paid on some pending but not all as there are two more outstanding and I have informed the Admin re; same and I will keep you up-dated.

from proof

Can I ask if the processed withdrawals are the one you request for longer period of time? Do they pay your longer pending request or your recent request first?
Thanks

I would hold the investments for now. There's a feeling to me that this will scam after some limit. I'd consider once it reach 100 days.

I'm not going to say change of plans as alert. I'd rather focus on the payment issues. Their plan changes lower the interest rate, so it's ok. Unless they change the interest higher, that would be an alert.

roosevelt :

Hello Everyone.
Not to alarm anyone but this is what has happened to me. remember i said i wanted to invest using u-gotcash well i would not recommend it. the only reason i chose them to invest with was because they accept credit card payments over the phone. this was good for me because i dont have a bank account. but hears what happened. I opened my account and when i got it funded with the 500 i was goin to invest i went to sainv.com and tryed to invest. i received this message:
There is an error in processing your request.
Either incorrect name of parameter or invalid values has been supplied which causes this error!
please contact your merchant and report this error immediately.

i emailed sainv.com about the problem but they have not responded. i also emailed the u-gotcash support crew and this is how they responded:

We have suspended his account pending an audit for some fraudulent activity due to members or perhaps he, himself. Please be advised ...

Thank you,
UGC Support Team

In response to that message i sent the ugc support team this message:

What do you mean by Fraudlent Activity? u mean large amounts of money going in and out or members sending his account money and days later he sends greater amounts back to the members who sent him the money? The site sainv.com is an investment site. the people who run it invest money given to them and then send back the money depending on which plan you choose. please check out the site. and also go here for more proof that they are not just taking money: http://www.hyip.com/forum/topic?id=7718 go through the pages and see what people are saying. the only reason i chose your ecurrency/payment processor is because you are the only one that accept credit card payments. but if this the reason that you have blocked his account please let me know so that i can withdraw my money and transfer it to another ecurrencey such as liberty reserve or ebullion.

I am now awaiting a response from UGC support team and also awaiting a response from sainv.com

Remember this is not to alarm anyone but to just let you know that i wouldn't recommend investing with u-gotcash at this time. being that i dont have a bank account i guess i will just have to wait the 10 to 15 days to receive the check for my withdrawal from ugotcash. i know all u other investors can understand my frustration. I go through all of the trouble opening my account and getting it funded and now i cant invest and have to be charged a fee for getting my money back from Ugotcash.

Thanks to the member who suggest UGC. This is ridiculous. This problem came from UGC, this is NOT an alarm. First of all not even me dare to use UGC, I always know it. UGC is infamous, shouldn't use it just because of accepting credit card. First of all Ponzi or not, it's our problems not UGC. If they stick their nose in our business, they're not dependable. Use processors that support HYIP when investing in HYIP.

The Comodo seal ONLY guarantee the identity. It DOES NOT guarantee the activities the company are doing. So basically even if they're legally registered, they may as well be Ponzi. But one thing, company can't scam easily as I said in another post. They need to strike off from list, and if you accuse them by law during this process, they cannot. Unfortunately no investors does that.

Ok, time to let go guys. This is HYIP, no matter what type of model it is, backed or not backed by real business, this is what happens. AlcoHolding maybe a good HYIP, but I think that the admin tripped on bad trades. But even the admin is honest, I must admit that Greg is now no longer there. He may / may not be a scammer.

Thinking and hoping about it won't help. Ignoring it is also giving same results, except we can use the valuable time for other investments. I say we forget it and move on. These are games, no matter what model there is. High Risk = Gamble

My patience is up, 4 days Greg. Better hurry.

Will invest here within 10 days. Looks great, and I found this company legal.

This is the best program. Expert Traders Ltd, problem AlcoHolding, and alot more long term HYIP falls. But DTP is still standing and over 1 year, almost 2 years. A pyramid can't stand like this, so I'd say DTP is the best. If I want to risk my money, I'd rather risk it with DTP as the first choice.

The withdrawals exceeded deposits in great amount proving it to be the real legit HYIP. Although I would like a better designed website, when it came to DTP I say leave it the way it is as long as it's working.

Keep it up Chris, we investors are always here to support DTP.

The 1 week clock start ticking now.

Hello,
What do you mean by that? And which program? This program already exist locally last year. We do not run any programs other than this. And as far as I know, do you recognize the right person? The name seems to be wrong. Please double check as 2 person with almost similar name can sometimes mistaken.

Regards

Rustysouth :

Hello,
How can you offer no risk? That isnt really possible is it?
Rusty

It is possible Rusty. I can offer no risk because I'm not running a HYIP. This program is related to HYIP INDIRECTLY. That is why. I've this site for 1 year now, so I decided to promote here.

High Yield Manager is a program that invest member funds in HYIP program. We have 2 experts working to ensure you get the highest yield with no risk.

Don't worry guys, their forum is working. If they really scamming, then no point leaving a forum running.

Romdiego :

Hi Taz and NYCV.

Thanks for your comments.
Normally I am very positive and optimistic but I have had the bad luck that 2 of my 3 investments are in problems.

First Angel-Capital that at this moment is a total scam for me. I lost a 4 digit amount.
And now Alco, in which I have a 4 digit amount too. Furthermore I made a re-Invest just 2 weeks ago thinking in "help" Greg and his program. But It seems like he is expecting a lot of people re-invest again... I dont Know... I really want my bad feelings be wrong.

I will Re-invest, an will start to pray too.

It is not luck, it's your observation skills. When AC changed plan like that, it already indicated falling. And you invested a 4 digit...

Anyway I'm not sure if the post about hacking is correct. If it could cause panic, why still reply with that statement?

And Romiego, if you don't want to lose money I suggest you to let the High Yield Manager to handle your investments for you. It's a club that my local used to invests, managed by 2 experts.

May I ask why? You can't just state not good. No reason.

tucker :

Hey all, just after my last post Greg had written back. I didn't want to post it right away thinking it would start another panic withdrawals like his vacation caused but. I to am going to wait until next month here is what Greg wrote.

Dear Larry,

Sorry, for leaving everybody in the fog, however explaining our situation
will cause lot more panic right now.
We have a hacker breaking into our database, changing e-currency account
information now and then, so that people send deposits to his
accounts.Changing EB to LR in pending withdrawals and balances was his job
also.
We have checked and rechecked everything on our end and working with the
script provider to patch the backdoor.
As for the money matters, my partner is transferring me funds by small
portions. He was caught up with the stock he can not get rid of and the bulk
of money rest with him. We are working on solutions to override this down
trend and hopefully we'll be able to get back on track in August.
We have huge backlog of pending withdrawals because of LR downtime. Major
part of our membership invests in LR so we are drawning in withdrawal
requests and have to divide the funds between e-currencies not to let anyone
aside.

That's in brief what is going on. You can post what you think appropriate at
the forums.

Thanks for understanding and support.

Greg

Hey Tucker. Sorry if this looks insulting to you, but I'm not insulting ok? Could you post the email along with the header? Or upload the screenshot and tell us the link? You see, your statement may trigger panic for some new investors. Therefore you should post it together with proof for this serious email. Anyone else please do the same if you post any email containing problems statements.

Also I think I know why the total withdrawals of site statistics down. Together with the deposits. Because the hacked deposits must be cover by them one by one with reserved "real money"
As for withdrawals, they must have accidentally process the hacker withdraw of 8k
But hey, the total loss as I've counted was 10,000 hacked which is a small sum. The stock that they can't get rid of? Alot of Traders trade when they know it will be up or down. However when they're waiting for it to reach their destination price, they cannot get rid of it before it reach the goal or it'll cause major loss.

Romdiego :

I dont know what you think, but all those problems leave me a bad taste in my mouth...

And I do know that I am not the only one.

By the moment the only open door is to re-invest the pending wd and this situation remembers me when one person dies and people around him wants to keep him conected to a machine... every body knows what happens but nobody wants to accept it.

If I am wrong, Forgive Me Greg.

You have something wrong about the "died"
This is not a dying program. Things can happens with real business. There will be some failures and alot of success. If we just cooperate with them, when they're back up we will get benefits of continuos profits. But if we do not cooperate and drag it down, when they fall because of us, it will bring everybody down.
Nobody wants to accept it, because it just have problems not died.

Get over it Greg, prove me right or wrong.

TH, I have an explanation of your questions about why Greg didn't send withdrawals in other e-currencies. First of all according to what I read they have cashflow problems. Secondly, LR problems has something to do with other currencies withdrawals.

Here's a guess about AlcoHolding Inc system structure.
All e-currencies deposited ---> Exchange to national currencies to be use for their business
Profits from their business ----> Some exchange to e-currencies, some they keep as profits, some reserved.

So you see, when their profits is getting a little bit lower, it caused cashflow problems. When they are lacked of money in one currencies, some investors with no patient tried to negotiate to get paid in another currencies. In fact, we can see alot of members doing that on Alco forum. When LR is down, users requested to withdraw in e-bullion, or Pecunix because of lack of patience. This caused more burden on other e-currencies reserved, and as a result of combinations of this problem, together with cashflow problems slow down ALL withdrawals from ALL e-currencies even more. Maybe that's what happened.

And glo, I hope you did not forget Greg maybe overload with alot of works related to withdrawals and e-currencies reserved. So I personally think we can't hear it from him directly this easily. Because Greg solved my pending withdrawals when I email him, but doesn't answer. So based on this, Greg "solve problems from emails without answering because of overload"

So glo, your problems maybe same as TH as to why Greg didn't pay with other e-currencies.

Site gone for a whole week. Be careful.

Alcoholding is still paying. Received $560

Well glo, I'm also dissappointed. But I don't think this helps. The monitors state paying when they're paid, that's the nature of it even if investors are not paid. But perhaps Alex is busy on other issues. Just a guess.
The paying simply states the HYIP is paying the monitor. It is up to us to determine it.

There maybe something we do not understand. Let's not call it ridiculous.

big-boss :

Hi i made a payment on FFG platform since 4/7/2008 and no notification of deposit made and no profit since then , several mails has been sent but no reponse .I suspect that FFG is a scammer

Excuse me, but go scam somewhere else. We DO NOT tolerate scammers here. Here's a few "bombard" reasons for you to lose.

1. 4th July until today is a really long time. 12 days. If this is true, what are you doing during those 12 days? Sleeping? Why you didn't post at that time but post only now? Time reason, you're down.

2. The script on FFG are automated. They cannot modify it or everyone else will also have a problems. So modification to not pay you is basically impossible.

3. You did not post LR batch number, you did not tell us how much you deposited in FFG. (Do you really have an account?)

4. I find it suspicious that YOU have only 1...erm was that a 1 guys? Guys? Yes it is 1. Ahem, get out of here "big-boss"

5. You suspect that FFG is a scammer, or is it you make everything up? FFG is not a scammer yet, because even when a HYIP have the intentions of scamming from beginning, it is not a scammer when it haven't scam. In fact, I do suspect you. Why? YOUR last visit is today. THIS post of yours is today. YOU have 1 post. Conclusions, you register today, you post today. End of story. "Kimi wa hontoni baka" (Guess this Japanese sentence yourself !)

Get out of here big-boss, I don't care how big you are. You are smaller than everyone of us.

markP :

well im trying to convince anyone but you havent proven anything either, especially why some companies prefer to use them and not other exchange programs. My sources were online from online sources i remember one was from a gdic message group where it was an interview with at the time w the president of the group and the whole topic was brought up. There is always two sides to a coin and i dont work for them as you said so i dont commisions or anything to get people to sign up, this is all just the info i have gotten and was able to make up my own mind. I do have friends that use them as well and dont have any problems whatssoever with them as well. Basically thats all i have to say on the issue and just giving the people the info if they wanted to look into it any further on their own. I wouldnt want people to take my word on it or your word on it and at least investigate themselves and they can make up their own mind. Also there wasnt a reason given for the autocambist freeze either from ebullion's side or from autocambist's side of things. I work for an interent company where accounts are restricted all the time when certain thresholds are crossed. Im 95% certain that eb has counters set where an account is disabled automatically when certain activity is shown. I have no idea what they are but if you have more than 20 accounts you need these measures in place anyway.

Again just my info from my research and its not like i got this from eb itself. I have used the company for a long time without problem and im just relaying this info for other peoples benefit so they see both sides and can look it up for itself and make up their own mind. Well thats all i am going to say on the topic just wanted to share my experience which is good and your experience which is bad with them and i can appreciate how you feel

have a good one

Mark

Well, fair enough. The reason why, maybe because it's eb a scam? Maybe it's right maybe it's wrong. Anyway, let's end this sub topic. Because you have good experience, I have a bad one. So let's just leave it to user to decided like you said. I totally agreed.

same here.

markP :

Im sorry i had to laugh at the ebullion stuff. The whole autocambist thing is fairly old news at this point. I have a few minor issues with ebullion and the responded right away. I had my account put on hold once due to i withdrew a large amount of money. They called me the next day on the phone and i just had to verify my ID.

In fact why they are perceived as scam is when they froze the account of autocambist( i believe it was autocambist) they took a 2% liquidation fee which is normal procedure. Then thats what caused the problem in the first place and autocambist complained about it but ebullion basically wouldnt give the 2 percent back. Then when it got to the " regualtion comittee" which is another joke in itself which is basically because they have a confilict since they were affiliated with e-gold, in a nutshell that is where the scam info came in.

also as a side note ebullion is unique in that it acts as a payment processor where for instance lr and e-gold are just for exchange and you need a third party to receive checks because they dont want to deal with the liability which of course can bring up a lot more problems in terms of funds transferred with a bank. At least where i am from they have an account with bank of america and fdic bank and have used them for about 6 months without an issue. I have done lots of research into this because when i heard of the scams i was concerned so i wanted to look into it. I think maybe they might have issues with the banks they deal with in other countriesbut I have really no idea. Just my two cents and i have looked into this long and hard from numerous sources

And how do you know all that? Where is the source of your informations? How do you explain that 3 out of 8 of my friends get the e-bullion funds frozen with a total of $3000 plus of funds? And how about so many other people with frozen funds? They contact, present ID, and up until today there's still alot of people with their EB gone have yet to get their refund.

Don't judge a book by it's cover. You do not work for e-bullion, the company can easily hid some money and pretend nothing happens. How do you know about this:
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In fact why they are perceived as scam is when they froze the account of autocambist( i believe it was autocambist) they took a 2% liquidation fee which is normal procedure. Then thats what caused the problem in the first place and autocambist complained about it but ebullion basically wouldnt give the 2 percent back. Then when it got to the " regualtion comittee" which is another joke in itself which is basically because they have a confilict since they were affiliated with e-gold, in a nutshell that is where the scam info came in.
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And for what reason EB froze Autocambist (If it was) account? Doesn't really make sense unless you tell me about it.

proof :

Hi all since they do not take E-B then some one needs to ask them why not take E-B also?

from proof

There's no need to ask. There are a few possibilities here:
1. E-bullion "maybe" a scam
autocambist.com stopped e-bullion exchange, Tradelite does not use e-bullion, Epay stopped accepting e-bullion, more websites stop the transactions on e-bullion due to the account freezing event some time ago. This may indicate e-bullion got some sort of financial problems and freeze account to scam the money in it in order to survive. But this is just a view.

2. e-bullion does not respond to customer complaints. The reason DTP use e-bullion, and some other websites maybe because they personally does not have any problems with e-bullion. DTP, maybe e-bullion seen DTP reputations and does not dare to freeze it due to the large amounts of money. If they do, a total of 3000 ++ users may not use e-bullion any longer. (The investors of DTP)

If you all seen the news, you'd immediately use LR even with alot of downtime.
Here's the reasons I gathered (Accuracy not guarantee)

e-gold: Unstable
Pecunix: When gold loses value, so does Pecunix currency
Liberty Reserve: Backed by "USD" and "EUR", is not attach to gold price. Alot of downtimes.
e-bullion: Known as risky to keep money.
Altergold: Does not have any problems.
Perfect Money: Act like a bank account, with interest each year.
AlertPay: In perfect condition.

Well I hope this is correct, it's my point of view.

Royal1985 :

Cheers all,
I don't mean to change to subject but I'm a new investor and i was wondering you anyone knows of a real HYIP? I was introduced to "Pathway-2-Prosperity" by a friend. Any advice?

Justin

Well, if you want to find a "real" HYIP then search on hyip.com
Just remember not to find those above 4% daily interest, or at max 5% daily.
If you're a new investor, research first. Try "virtual invest" first, meaning you assume that you invest in a program and see if it works. (Not investing money, just fake it as a practice)
And do not invest your food money.

garyghouri :

alcoholding site is not working ??????

Well gary, don't panic with question marks. It's working sometimes, check that with host-tracker.com
As you can see, some country can access it. But not always. It haven't been 4 days yet. Right proof?

lordxan :

So far so good here, BUT the BIG issue I have here is they seem VERY simmilar to Expert Traderd in terms of their web page and investments... Wait an see. Those of you who have been in here for a while know all about ET so I'll just let the people ask around. Again this could simply be a script thing only, but so far they are opperating VERY much like ET did so while I hope all is good here I'm still on guard to see what happens next??

This is HYIP, it is all games here. It doesn't really matter.

It doesn't matter Martha. Sooner or later you will discover the facts. Your formula does work, but there are dangerous fallback on your formula. Sometimes a 1% program can be scam as well. They can pay 1% for 30 days and scam all 70% of your money as well. And no "curse" exist.

Your formula can't be relied on. I'm telling the truth and if you think you are right, you will get loss on money sooner or later. It's up to you.

Hi aln, I'm surprised that you bring an old post up. Anyway, I do not think martha's formula will be of any help. It's lack of accuracy, lack of logic and certainly is a "self-destruct weapon"

Well, A3 Union never had a card. So is iCapitals. iMonet, yes they have but is a scam / broke. Tradelite, well let's see what Tradelite is then. Is there anyone have a card from Tradelite? Please share with us.

Fake voters can't fool us, even if they use 100% brain power, nothing done by a human can be 100% perfect.

Alot of spam accounts here. Fake voters, check your post rating. It clearly tells everyone all the accounts are new.

Hi Lee, welcome back. Good luck with your investment.

glo :

nycv :

Well TH and glo, that's not quite a wise choice. LR is down way too often only for now. They are adding updates for gold backed currency and improvements, plus e-bullion got scam warnings as well. Just my point of view, maybe it suits some people better.

Since most involved in HYIP get scam warnings I am upholding EB from my personal experience of nearly two years!
I do have their crypto card and have never lost a dime!! However, with EG over $300 was brazenly removed from my account and with LR over $100 was put in wrong accounts!! In both instances it was proven the breach was NOT MY COMPUTER and still they allowed the thieves (that they knew who they were) to keep my funds . . . . just another for what it's worth!! Further who wants to wait days or weeks for transfers that are made instantly by EB with a confirming email to all members!!

Well, you do have your points. But I guess everyone choose their own choice.
But I'm curious, how LR put $100 in wrong accounts? It just isn't possible unless someone hack you. And if it's so, LR policy can't do a thing without court order.

Anyway, do you receive withdrawal from Alco? I got mine today.

Well TH and glo, that's not quite a wise choice. LR is down way too often only for now. They are adding updates for gold backed currency and improvements, plus e-bullion got scam warnings as well. Just my point of view, maybe it suits some people better.

It was good, but as soon as they changed plan it shows they are scamming.

Well, I guess admin forgot to check LR. Or maybe the API is not working yet. Thanks for sharing the informations Rusty.

Hi there guys, is there anyone using LR experienced pending withdrawals?

Well, it will help Alco. But no way TH, if they exclude daily plans alot of people will run for sure. This will cause a big impact on their stability.

Just a note to all investors, if you do not need to withdraw, don't. Just reinvest if you want, and withdraw what you want to take. Just don't withdraw frequently, as more people will have alot of pending.

It is a scam already from the moment their plan changed. Notice that next time with other HYIP.

I'm glad your problem is solved Romiego. I also calculated things from site statistics, if it was a Ponzi Scheme, the amount doesn't make sense. If it was backed by the activities stated on website, then it make alot of sense. So guys, I suggest to let us earn in the future in big amount, I suggest we make long term investments of 1 month. That way Greg will be able to calculate how much he need, and will replenish before our maturity date.

Good work AlcoHold team ! Keep it up.

glo :

nycv I get what you are saying here, but why would Thomas put his picture on the site if this were the case OR is it someone elses face!! When they had the account # problem fortunately I was VERY close to even since payments had been forthcoming daily! They were NOT that much in profit compared to the others, doesn't seem worth the effort, but guess if they have a half dozen working at one time it pays off! Thanks for the insight and keep us posted, please if you notice any others to add to the list. If investors are to prevail we must stock together against the evil forces!

Well, it isn't Thomas (If this name really exist) or anyone else. It was a computer generated image. You do that by putting your photo on, then edit it and make it looked like real face but totally different from your original. (Or may I say "into different person")

I will add if I spot any, just remember I can't guarantee the accuracy, just possible guess. (80% correct only)

$100 in test. Looks good.

Count me in, ok I'm a little too late. But here I go:

1. Do they have the required license to operate?
2. Who and how do we contact the company CEO / Director?
3. Can I view their license?
4. What is their mailing address?
5. Can I view their trading account screenshot?

Ok guys, looks like Tradelite Finance is a real company. Their identity has been identified by the Comodo seal. The only thing is that we don't know if Tradelite really trade. But judging on the situation, there are no signs of scam here at the moment. Let's just support them, it's very rare to get a long live HYIP now in "HYIP Market" (Well, there are stock market, money market, so let's call this HYIP market)

Happy investing everyone.

Phew...Luckily I made only a test spend of $12 here. Well everyone, you better conduct research on Constant Profits (If by chance they are back up) and compare it to some other similiar designed website. The same owner always left trails in their website designs.

I'm sure those who got "photographic memory" or analysis skills will know what this is. This one is just a game, don't invest big.

Below are also a warning list. You can invest, but keep it equal or below $150 as they will be short live.

fxpronet.net
eccm.biz
royalinvestments.biz
gvfund.biz

These informations are just a guess, I cannot guarantee the accuracy.

Well TINA, as a HYIP investor, we try all possible route before giving up. Alex is getting paid, I don't see why not we try.

Hendry Gordon you mean? There maybe problems now. Since the rate is higher than stable.
Anyway, if anyone is following my October 20th post, I'm sorry if I mislead. I don't have due diligence experiences at that time.

Still standing, I made my first investment here. May increase to a thousand later. Good job DTP, the withdrawals clearly exceeds the deposits.

Looks ok to me. Like Rusty said, they have a Comodo seal. But remember the activities these guys are doing is unknown. Have a certain degrees of risk but is good.

This is a problem on your side, though I admit they have a poor support. I suggest you to scan your computer for keyloggers or spyware, not by stating "withdraw while we have time"

Misunderstanding cleared. Contract added.

All fine here, the site is back up. Clearly not closing.

Alcohold is accessible via referral link. Such as this http://alcohold.net/?ref=110

Ok, now the website has disappeared leaving apache panel page behind. I hope Greg correct it in 2 weeks. Because after the 2 weeks, if the website does not appear, it will be listed as fall or not paying.

Alcohold website is going up and down several times today. Maybe the website is getting short DDoS attacks, or something's wrong with the server. I do not think Greg will scam, Alcohold may only fall when there's problems with their business.

Anyway guys, some time ago I've seen people saying something about their interest are paid into their Alcohold account 1 day late everytime. I came up with an explanation here.

Deposit on 1 July, you receive it on 2 August. Maybe it's because they use your money on 2 July, 1 July is your deposit date. In order to be fair, let us leave it that way. But so far I haven't get this problem, let's see how it turn out on my first payment.

Happy investing guys !

Warning, maybe scam. I invested $20 here as test, money does not reflect on my account. Admin does not respond for 24 hours. I'll update if they correct it.

Took care of it. It seems like one of my anti-virus caught it. Anyway, is there anyone in compounding here?

Can someone tell me if the deposits added automatically or manually?

rishi :

Hey guys,

I'd appreciate it if someone could clarify this for me. What does the comodo certificate really imply? Does it mean that they have actually verified that Stoic is a legal company and have people working for them or something like that.....

correct. comodo identified their identity. but they dont identify the activities company was doing. even so, a company cant scam easily. they need to strike off first. and if they got a lawsuit, they are died meet. <--(MODERATOR suggestion: was it "dead meat"?)

Ok now, let's forget that investor named Lee. Time to move on with AlcoHold now. There's risk involved with this one, but it's a risk that's worth to take. The admin is honest. Most admin close down website when alot of problems occur. But Greg get his hands right on the problems.

Ok everyone, let's treasure this HYIP by posting our payments, deposits, solved problems and our experience with this program. And for new investors, happy investing !

What in the world...wow ! DTP is still standing ! There must be real trading involved in here. I think I'll make an investment here as well.

Thanks for the informations. I think I got a virus.

Attention guys, Blockdos is down. Any websites hosted through Blockdos are affected. This is the list I came up with so far if I'm not mistaken. If you can access them, then it was problems on my side.

Tradelite Finance Corp
Acmos Trade
Euro Avinex Ltd
FFG Trading
Olympex Group IBC as well.

This is the only thing that I can be sure of. If anyone can access the website, please tell me by posting here.

Attention guys, Blockdos is down. Any websites hosted through Blockdos are affected. This is the list I came up with so far if I'm not mistaken. If you can access them, then it was problems on my side.

Tradelite Finance Corp
Acmos Trade
Euro Avinex Ltd
FFG Trading

This is the only thing that I can be sure of. If anyone can access the website, please tell me by posting here.

Attention guys, Blockdos is down. Any websites hosted through Blockdos are affected. This is the list I came up with so far if I'm not mistaken. If you can access them, then it was problems on my side.

Tradelite Finance Corp
Acmos Trade
Euro Avinex Ltd
FFG Trading

This is the only thing that I can be sure of. If anyone can access the website, please tell me by posting here.

Attention guys, Blockdos is down. Any websites hosted through Blockdos are affected. This is the list I came up with so far if I'm not mistaken. If you can access them, then it was problems on my side.

Tradelite Finance Corp
Acmos Trade
Euro Avinex Ltd
FFG Trading

This is the only thing that I can be sure of. If anyone can access the website, please tell me by posting here.

Wow, thanks for leading.

That's right Lee. Make an official apologize, admit your mistakes. No one is going to laugh at you for doing that, unless you still kept on covering your mistakes. It's your choice, maybe you choose to be silent?

Nice comment glo and Taz! You guys hit the points all at once ! I completely agreed.

Lee :

Hi all,
They are not paying! I have to pending amounts for 2 days and for 1 day:
Date Amount Status Action
2008-06-23 09:12:41 $ 100.00 Pending [Cancel]

2008-06-24 04:10:41 $ 70.00 Pending [Cancel

Is it the time for them to disappear?

Prove it. Give me an unaltered screenshot.

I think Tradelite will last longer guys. If they are real, and there are trading, they may last forever. If they are Ponzi, it will or may last at least 2 years. Their highest interest:

(194% - 100%) / 60 = 1.56% daily ONLY

Apart from this, the payment will only be made at end of term. And if you cancel a contract they charge you. These factors make it more stable. I strongly recommend Tradelite, but remember there are risk even with real companies or Trading program

markP :

hmm only at the end of the term. That breaks one of my hyip rules. lol I usually dont invest in plans unless i can get paid everyday or at worst every week so i can pull the interest out a few times a week in case a program goes belly up. not saying its a legimate investment or not, i just get nervous when they are set up that way

I don't think you are correct. Program that pay daily, in case it's a Ponzi, will fall much more easily than those that pay you at the end of term. These type of program will tend to give more interest and to attract investors, but lower interest than the daily ones.

george10 :

I have an account with American River Capital & have invested over 11000USD & my account is coming up to 200000 USD. I have tried twice to withdraw funds(1550 USD+ 3500 USD) & have on both occations told that the money had been sent to me. I have not received a single cent. & now they ignore me. I am not the only one http://www.grilledcheesewithpickles.com/2008/03/american-river-capital-inc.html please read. It is a simular case to mine.

igm@live.dk

You're too reckless. No one even dare to invest $11,000

You get paid at the end of term. And the term depends on the investment plan that you choose.

Try this guys http://imonet.biz type it EXACTLY.

First payment $130
Let's see if Tradelite will issue debit cards in the future. They just told me they intend to issue debit cards, although time frame is unknown.

I think I made a mistake saying DTP is a scam when it first started. I would like to make an official apologize to the admin.

(Hmm, maybe that's a strange way to apologize. But sorry anyway.)

Scam, earned $120....lol

All I can say is, Tradelite is a real company. I said so because Comodo are never wrong. But the risk is yours to take. Even real company can scam.

Also don't invest in those with short term plans, i.e less than 14 days.

1. Do not invest in HYIP of which the withdrawals amount are close to the deposit amount.
2. Do not invest in hyip with poor website designs.
3. Do not invest in those that are offering more than 4% daily interest.
4. Diversify your investments.
5. As Alex said, "Do not invest what you cannot EASILY afford to loose!!!"
6. Do not use "big money" i.e more than 500 USD.

Guys, use https to access.

My god, Obie? Trusted company? Please learn the basics before investing. Do you really think a company does not ask for your address and phone, and 5.2% interest hourly? Don't fall to same trick Obie.

My god, Obie? Trusted company? Please learn the basics before investing. Do you really think a company does not ask for your address and phone, and 5.2% interest hourly? Don't fall to same trick Obie.

glo :

tucker :

Received anther monthly payout on Saturday. This is the 14th payment between monthly and weekly plans and every one went smoothly
Your account (C*****) at e-Bullion(R) has been updated with the following deposit:

Transaction ID: T49299300-TO
Account From: D69587
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 02:15:29 (GMT)
Amount: USD$ 1000.00 of e-Currency USD
Transaction Type: Transfer Received

Greetings Tucker, We, too, had a 1000 investment maturing on the 6th. However, this did not appear in our available balance until the next day. However, the date was the 6th! How can this be? I think it was due around hour 1600 and wonder if they could be in Hawaii or somewhere way west although they list NL which I took for Netherlands! Just curious since I keep close track and the payment in the past has always been there when I first logged in!

Well, always give 1 day. Maybe there are real business, the moment you deposit, your money is not in use yet. That is what I can think of for now as a reason.

bigpumperus :

Hello guys,
iam quiet new in HYIPs. But maybe you can give me some answere. I invested in this hyip. And i understand how they make money, but I dont understand some hyips. How can a hyip pay people if they dont accept new members? (AGI) no new money is coming in so how they pay you guys?

I mean its easy or not?

Money is coming in------------ Old members are getting paid!
No new money is coming in---------- people dont get paid anymore?!

Or I understand something wrong?

Every HYIP is different. The fact that you state is a common type. There are HYIP with real trading or business activities, and those that are may as well fall in a night. Usually both type of HYIP with 1% - 4% daily interest last for a very long time.

nycv :

I believe they have deleted my account. It kept saying passwords incorrect. User name wayhuck
Can you do something Alex?

Corrections, someone hacked my account so FFG locked it until I activate it.

I believe they have deleted my account. It kept saying passwords incorrect. User name wayhuck
Can you do something Alex?

wowlink :

alex i totally understand wat ur saying but..they are provisioning to be a S..the S word the address they provided is the same or should i say identical to sainvestment and that address was used by may S..word

let me prove and im sure proof will agree with me..

Taken from SAINV or SAInvestment website
Address: Ricardo J Alfaro Avenue,
Century Tower Building,
20th floor - Office 2008,
Panama City, Panama

Virtus Offshore Investment Co.
Virtus Offshore Investment Co. (private@voichaven.com)
Suite 2007 20th Floor
The Century Tower
Ave Ricardo J. Alfaro
Panama City
Panama,-
PA

Tradelite Finance Corp.
Century Plaza Office Tower
20th Floor, Office Nr.7
Panama City
Republic of Panama
T: +507-202-1589
F: +507-996-3177

Excuse me, SA Inv is at "Century Tower Building"

Tradelite is at "Century Plaza Office Tower"

The 2 building is not the same.

Also, Tradelite is not located at Ave Ricardo J. Alfaro and have a identity authentication by comodo.

SA Inv is a real company but risky. While Tradelite is not as risky as SA Inv. Tradelite also hold commercial license. If you wanted to get Tradelite down, do investigations on the document instead.

It's unstable now Taz. A HYIP is only stable at 2 points.
1. The payout is not more than deposits
2. The payout is far more than deposits, and program still standing

Everytime you invest, treat a HYIP like a Ponzi first. If payout is greater than deposits and the program is still standing, that proof it's not a Ponzi and safe. Such as Day Trade Pros.

wowlink :

blessings and greetings......nycv.. dont take this thing personal..

let me clearly outline this thing..i join this site on less than a week and i made about 3 posts and the 3 post i made was about brics fund.. and it was being removed and i have made 2 more post about brics fund and they were remove..

what more warning can i give or do ehhhh..hissss mi teeth

Read carefully. I'm telling you NOT to warn.

yes you should be ashame of yourself wowlink. if you found out it was scam, stop warning or else it will close earlier! If there is source there is spend, and the pyramid stay in steam, nothing will happen, not in this year. all these are games, if u found it to be scam, shut up and keep playing or get out quick. stop warnings, more victims will be drown if u "warn".

i dunno if ur the one who started it or someone else. if it was u, one thing: u raise fears out of many investors and many start withdrawing causing alot more people losing. the number of victims should not be this much. only those who do not think wise will get caught.

lol

hi there, glad to see u here

I've finished a 6 months plan and now I already got profits of $195 with just $150 + bonus $20
I've also finished a 3 months daily plan. Nice HYIP, good luck guys.

martha, HYIP scammers earn not only $60,000

Even $20,000,000 is possible (The case with A3 Union)

If you do not believe me, count if possible how many that invest:

1. How many that invest more than $10?
2. How many that invest more than $30?
3. How many that invest more than $50?
4. How many that invest more than $80?
5. $100?
6. $300?
7. $500?
8. $1000? (Yes there is)
9. $3000? (This is the max limit)

However, all these investors added up to more than $6,000,000

So 6 million is JUST an estimation.

$6,000,000

Not with me snaik. I know what you're running. Don't talk so professional and convincing.
I know what scheme you're running. This is just plain Ponzi scheme. You talk like this just to convince people. Do you think you could escape some of the pro investors out there? You have alot of evidence left behind on your website. Try to clean it, it won't work haha

No exactly MS. The interest are variable depends on trading. Average is 3% - 4% in Edge Target.
Your principal will be return. So if you get $200 profits, it will be $200 + your principal. Principal can be withdraw anytime after the matured period or you can choose to let it stay and earn interest.

Agreed, no proofs no talk.

Agreed

Excuse me, please everyone check their FAQ, there's an answer here similiar to Minvestment

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Can I meet you in person?
We are currently in the process of establishing our branch offices worldwide. In the next couple of months we plan on opening several offices in North America, Europe, Southeast Asia and Africa. As soon as this takes place, you will be able to meet our representatives in person.
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Please take note of their unreasonable Plan 1 with interest 42% daily. It said minimum deposit $5 which means there's no max. What if I deposit $1000? ridiculous.

I'm not saying you shouldn't invest. This is just my personal point of view. Feel free to test it, cautiously.

This one is scam guys, trust me.

Of course PHB. I already know that. What I said was only a part of my analyzing. Sorry I can't expose whole, if scammer / ponzi operators see what I wrote here all my methods will end up useless.

kattil please don't relate Golden Purse with Brics Fund. They're on different paths. Golden Purse only state "invest in stock" without any prove or anything to convince investors. Brics Fund is different, although still can't trust it 100%, only 90% I'd say.

Brics Fund show us proofs of why they invest in Brics. The proofs they shown are real, which someone else already said it.

Unless Brics Fund broke, or else we get our payments.

Pull yourself together everyone. Take what's left with you and find a legit HYIP.
I've already tried giving warnings about Golden Purse right when it first appeared. If anyone know my website, Golden Purse has long been listed as fake / scam / ponzi on my website. (Sorry, can't disclose url as that is considered as advertising)

Email me on nycv2@yahoo.com for my website url.

Golden Purse isn't having technical problems, it is money problems. Their Ponzi steam ran out and they could not pay. If they pay they'll lose money. So they run with your money instead.

Stop waiting Minvestment is scam. About 2 weeks after my post to explain Minvestment interest rate I started to saw suspicious sign.

According to Minvestment FAQ they process payment manually. But when I withdraw it came into e-gold account automatically. This is 1 lie. (Even when it doesn't affect the withdrawals and money are withdrawn into account, this is not ok)

Minvestment customer support started to missed out alot of emails and inquiries. Eventually they became not responding.

These 2 Red flag shows that Minvestment at that time, is going to scam soon.

Hello Moneybug on February 4th post,
I think you are right. Minvestments and GoldenPurse are scammers owned by one person. These 2 closed.

Just a small mistakes you make.

Minvestments and GoldenPurse are one.
GPRS and 2 other HYIPs (Uh...I forgot the name) are another scammer.

GPRS is a scammer by copying graphics materials from both Minvestments and GoldenPurse so that they look attractive to people who haven't seen Minvestments and Golden Purse. This is to lure people in.

Minvestments and GoldenPurse on the other hand are more professional scammers who pay before scam.
About some days before Minvestments was gone, there was negative signs there already. Their customer support are not responding.

masse :

Hi,

I invested 100 USD on Exptraders.
Can't access their homepage anymore, think they are a scam as all other Hyips.
I will never invest (if one can call it so?) in any Hyip any more. They are all scams, believe me and save
your money.
I think it's better to play the Lotto, at least you then have a small small chance of hitting big.
With hyips you are always the looser.

I had to tell you something. Most HYIPs are scam, you probably hit the scammer HYIPs so you lose.

When you can't access a website, there's a list of things you should do.
1. access the website using exptraders.com instead of www.exptraders.com (note, "www")
2. use https to access website, example https://www.exptraders.com
3. use https without www, example https://exptraders.com
4. wait for a few days, maybe they're under maintenance (Like pecunix, they're not scammer but are offline)

Conclusion for you, HYIP are NOT as easy as 1 2 3. Most investors invest when they saw a new HYIP, this is wrong. HYIP is a term originally legitimate investments. Ponzi operators misused this term, so now HYIP thought to be Ponzi.

Try to find potential HYIP, not the Ponzi. Also, Expert Traders Ltd has been around for 1 year or more. If it does disappear one day, it's broke. Not scam. Scam / Ponzi can't last longer than 4 months

Don't wait anymore. They're broke.

Looks like I'm not wrong for listing it on my monitor.

Anyway guys, exercise cautious still. Invest $50 at max and increase if they're still paying on next month.

If they're still paying after 2 months, I'd say the max will be $900

We can conclude that it has unsolved issues, or financial problems or broke or worst - scam.
That's the nature of HYIP. But as long as the message is there, I believe they're not closing. Because no point placing that thing and paying hosting cost just for it. That's it

Anyway, I visit their site through function page "func=members.php" something like that. I can see the broken script. This is also a good sign.

I can't believe you invest in MDK Fund Poderoso. One lesson: Don't be greedy.

If we can make 1000% do you think we still need invest for so long period of time?

This is not scam, it IS scam.

How much you invested glo?

Nice one ! Back online. With login problems, but still it proved to be reliable.

It happened before. Don't panic, I'm also monitoring this. Let's see if they're back online in this week.

The problem is they're scammer.

lordxan, do you mean Your Trust Investment? It is still paying, but their certificate is fake.

Anyway guys, the chance for cobex to come back is low.

Hey, is that your website?
Can I unite my website to scam watch? Take a look at my website.

MODERATED: please do not hijack other people's advertisement threads.

Sometimes there's something we won't understand Commun. Just like Tradelooq, when they have the domain they didn't put the site back up.

Give EMC some time until next month 15th

"Scammer"
No, I've seen this message before. Bad Gateway message can mean alot of things.
For HYIP we need to wait until the website is not loading at all. Right now the website is loading, but with Bad Gateway error of course. Don't confirm it too early.

EMC Investments haven't lost. It's still there. If they want to scam, no point putting the message there. They can just run off. Why explain?

You're too fast confirming. Jvothi too, situation is not confirm yet.
An example for EMC Investments is Tradelooq, which is offline for almost 1 and a half month and came back.
Give EMC some more time until next month 15th.

Cosy, show the link to the forum.

Can I ask which fund you're investing in Martha? Do you compound?

If you're investing in Conservative Fund with compound on, that will be why.

Attually the 4% isn't real value. For example, I invested $100 in Fast Growth Fund. This week it increased $6, the $6 is not my earning. On Friday when that $6 is sold, I get $15 and the $15 is what I'm earning.

Compound will only show profits on end of term. If you're not doing what I'm saying above, then I think you're having problems and should contact EMC Investments when they're back online. But most likely you're investing wrong.

Because if you got this problems, all other investors should get this problems already.

Agreed now. OpenTrade scam.

First lesson for myself.

NEVER listen to what investors said about a good program, but to analyze the truths.

I've long think that $10 bonus as suspicious, but I got mislead by alot of investors. Lol

Check the Cobex Trade website tio.
They have official HOLIDAYS from DECEMBER 24 2007 UNTIL JANUARY 4
Payments of interest will start from January 7 Monday 2008.

scammer :

Even if Phil was paid this does not mean anything. The sum itself of $1430 is very small. They have enough deposits to easily pay out this sum. So your conclusions are a bit naive. If Phil said that he had invested $200 and was paid about $22000, it would mean much more. Moreover there is no proof he really received this sum though I strongly beleive this is not a problem for Minvestment to pay such small sum out because they have huge amount of deposits. Let's wait for someone who will receive more than $10000

Mr."scammer"
Regarding your posts on December 29, I think you have some logical problems. Sorry for being rude, but it's the truth. $1430 is small? Can you try to add all the investors payouts, this $1430, some $100 payouts, some $1000 payouts, $50 here...$25 there. Add all of it up and you'll see how much they paid ! They're paying more generously than all the banks in the world.

Bank earn billions of dollars with our money, how much they pay? Minvestment is like a bank, using investors money. They also earn alot, and give us small interest. But it is larger, and that's HYIP.
If bankers can, why not Minvestment?

And of course, there is risks involved.

Oh, and Martha. One more thing, in EMC Investments put 80% of your capital to Fast Growth Fund and set compound off. That'll get you alot of profits. 20% to compound in Conservative Fund.

I don't understand what you mean by 4 weeks and 4%. Is that total profits? If you're talking about total profits, that is impossible. I alone get 2% sometimes 6% a week. 4 weeks would be...8% - 24%

fontu, if you want to run this type of business you need something to generate profits.

If you know how to do the things below of course:

1. Stock Trading
2. Forex Trading
3. Options Trading

If you know all 3 of these, you can open a HYIP website to help people invest through these. But keep in mind, not everyone can do it good. Some people lose alot in these.
Take care and good luck.

Martha, this is a good interest rate. Other programs offer not in reality interest rate. Program that offers 4% or below of daily interest are potential. EMC Investments and Brics Fund are more than that since they offer weekly variable interest rate. This is a smart move.

Programs that offered 10% and alot more is offering 30% some even offer 60% daily which is all unreal.

I'd personally choose EMC Investments, Brics Fund, Cobex Trade, Minvestment, Nordage Investments Inc, Tradelooq for their reasonable interest.

Study more Martha.

Agreed with eretiredgroup.

The explanation to my previous post:
No, I do not mean OpenTrade is back online. What I'm saying is that if you access with the IP address http://209.249.221.22

You'd receive Bad Gateway error. But it also means the server is still there. Wait for a while more and we'll see what they do. If no change in 1 more week, it's 100% confirm scam.

vvsdiamond, you're wrong. But you're right in one thing. Yes, they're scammer.
First sight, scam.
Second sight, interest rate too high.
Third sight, poor design.
Fourth sight, paid out list is self-typed

Don't fall victim with this one, and remember that greedy in HYIP field will make you lose.

http://209.249.221.22/

This is the IP access for OpenTrade

OpenTrade server found. Try using their IP address. Type into your browser.
Not yet, still looking at it.

This is not a company. They're scammer. Don't invest, I already take a look.
The "Inc" is make-believe.

Fake statement getlucky. The "site maintenance" page is still here right now !
Wait for some more time

A very potential program. They got 1 downtime in record but succeed in giving explanation about the downtime. When a program website is down and back with explanation usually it's a good one. Unless it's pyramid.

Here's about Brics Fund:
Custom design (good sign)
Custom script
Fast and straight to the point support
Accept multiple e-currencies
Extra strong secured connection for account login

This should be a very potential program. To pick up speed, $200 is recommended into weekly fund.

That's why I said the bonus $10 is strange...I shouldn't have invested. Luckily I invested only $20
Don't cry around asking for help when a HYIP you invested in fail. Analyzing methods should be in your mind first before investing in HYIP field to prevent losing in the long run.

I teach these for $50. Or you all should find another investor who can teach these, you may find a lower priced course. But OpenTrade is gone for sure. The server is not there.

Is anyone interested in a better strategy? And some analyzing methods?
And how to choose the HYIP and add it to your list? And rarely lose money?

nycv2@yahoo.com

I've seen this message before. It's not a good news.
There's a HYIP last year, it's name was USA-Trade. They scammed. After their website close, this message appear. It's the same.

Jvothi won't fall at this time. It's a maintenance. It could fall in the future, but not right now.

jacoolzi, as I posted previously. It wasn't confirm that OpenTrade is scam. Wait for a little longer and we'll see what happen.

Krus,
I have seen Brics Fund with the similiar problems some time ago.
OpenTrade has the same problems. And the situation is not confirm yet.

Everyone go load the OpenTrade website. Look at the bottom of your browser, it will say "waiting for reply"
When this happen, it means server is still there. If you saw "Connecting" and it does not say waiting for reply, and browser gave error message after a while, then the server is not there.
Below is the error screen:

Bad Gateway

The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS) Server at www.opentrade.net Port 443

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Yes, you all see it right. "Server at www.opentrade.net Port 443"
It means server is still there.

Blue Trade interest rate is not reasonable, do not invest.
And to Cash Money, the situation with OpenTrade is not confirm yet.
I still see this phrase on my browser "waiting for reply"
There is hope, but not much.

over 4% interest. scam / ponzi

Everyone, I just contacted the founder of EMC Investments.

They're not closing and are experiencing difficulties with their hoster.
Below is the letter:

Dear sir,

no, EMC Investments is not closing. We are expierencing problems with
our hosting and they are quite short on technical staff during
christmas so solving these problems takes some time. You should not
worry about it, because all trading activities are performed as usual
and there will be no loss for members.

Best regards,
Ernesto
EMC Investments

On Dec 25, 2007 2:08 PM, Ng Way Huck wrote:
> Hello,
> I wanted to ask what happened to EMC Investments?
> Are you planning to close this program or just a maintenance?
>
> Thanks

Gemini :

I have been reading all comments re Minvestment. I have invested with them as well and by calculation my returns should also be significant. I do not doubt that if our invested fund is really put to some serious FX Trading that they can make significant amounts. But the questions are 1. Are they really into FX as they proclaim ? 2. Why is it that not even one individual can post saying their 150 days have elapsed and their principal/significant amt given to them ? I find it rather strange. I have lost small amount with Swiss Cash ( who paid for appx 2 and half years but I joined June 30th 2007 and they were offline by Aug 19th as they seem to be just an online Pyramid and not legit Mutual Fund ), Nextgen Energy ( got back only a quarter of my investment ). Luckily it wasnt large sums. If I loose again with Minvestment it definately will be my LAST online investment. They appear genuine and have great customer service but online you can be almost anything you want to be !! Time however will tell. I have 120 days left. Hopefully I will be able to post re obtaining my principal/returns in this blog.

Hello, sorry if I raise anything sensitive. But...

1. Nextgen, is suspicious all from beginning because of the $25 bonus. If everyone invest $25, they pay $25 they get nothing. So, a pyramid.

2. SwissCash, I'm sure I won't even touch that at the beginning.

3. In HYIP, you cannot go "all in" one HYIP

4. You must have $1000 or preferably $2000 to diversify among HYIPs

Moderated: Advertisement link removed.

I can't disclose anymore things here, admin disallowed off topic.

2 possibilities:

DDoS Attack OR
Scamming

Tradelooq does not promised fixed interest, which is a smart move.
Smart move = Good company

Tradelooq has a record of long downtime but still coming back.
They're not HYIP, and the interest we get depends on trading performance in Forex.

When loss are reflected on investors, its safer. Why?
Because if all loss are on them, and investors keep getting positive interest, they fall in long term.

Tradelooq also has a $3000 - $4500 USD (not sure about amount) of fee paid to a party. That party is for verifying identity. Tradelooq had to pay the fee.

When investor are withdrawing from 1 month MA Account, they charge fees for the withdrawals. Unless the investor wait for the maturity, of which during maturity investor money will be transfer to 1 day MA Account. The money in this account can be withdraw without fees. Smart move.

Their customer service is very fast (which means more staffs = more expenses = high capital)

A good website for low risk deposits.

Note:
More informations please visit my website, www.exp-monitor.com

Tradelooq is reliable, because loss is reflected on investors too.

EMC Investments website down.
Possible reason: Changing hoster or scamming

fazbuz, EMC Investments is already online before A3 Union (Assistance 247 Ltd) went offline. Not after A3 Union went offline.

Anyway guys, EMC Investments is not same to other HYIP. They do not promise interest.
It all vary on their trading performance weekly. And they have incorporation documents too.

However there are risk of a few of their funds.
The risky funds are: Monetary Market Funds, Fast Growth Funds.
Safe: Conservative Funds.
Average Risk: Rational Funds.

Diversify among the funds, best combination are conservative + fast growth.

I'm in profits with them and their customer service is superb.

Phew, luckily I invest $20.
But wait, Open Trade is not confirm going down. I've seen a website even worse, Tradelooq like Open Trade, going down for 1 month.

So until OpenTrade reach 1 month downtime, don't try to confirm it as down.

Alex S. (moderator) :

nycv,
Please stop confusing people.
The HYIP.COM's share of OpenTrade capital ALONE, is already way over $20,000.
Check out the Analytics section.

Excuse me Alex, laugh out loud ! You call yourself an administrator?
HYIP.com = Investor !
Investors money can NOT be count as their capital. Capital means:

They use our money to trade, and profits from it while paying us interest. Mostly OpenTrade keep alot of it. Part of the money they got from profits will be spend out to pay staffs and operating expenses.
The remaining will be keep. That is the capital.

I hope you update your brain sir and sorry to be rude.

ON !! Try their IP access sir. It's not down. It's here.

Just as I thought, pyramid. Looks like my test spend of $5 proved it.

"Doctor daz" post on December 8.
I already stated it clear I made a mistake and was scammed too, one of them??
What strange is admin deleted my late post leaving the earlier ones.

Anyway guys, DO NOT invest more than $100 on a program before you research on it !
$6000??
"Doc" if I were you I'd invest that $6000 on capital growth HYIP based on real company like icapitals.net
You'd get $1500 a month if you do.

Don't think it is scam. It is scam. Don't need to think.
If you need to learn how to analyze a HYIP email me on nycv2@yahoo.com

Excuse me, I meant to say 15 September 2007

grey dog :

They'll probably delete this comment. The problem here is that we have the "fox" guarding the "hen" house! These monitoring sites don't report accurate info on these SCAM artists. I don't know anything about Minvestment except what I read here or on the HYIP monitor sites and I've been burned bad. I along with countless others have just lost a lot of money with Invest-Manager but if you go on HYIP.COM you still see their PAYING. This has been going on since the end of September 07,so theres no excuse for not reporting that . Someone mentioned above that these HYIPs are subject to scamming and I do concur. Its only a matter of time when they take off with your money. From all the info I can now gather they start off looking good but when that time comes,and we never know when, there gone and so is the money. Be careful and don't let someone else report their getting paid when your not. Chances are there plants,hired to create the illusion of everything is alright,when in fact its just the opposite.

I think I can help you with this. You lose because you didn't learn any analyzing methods. Usually when a program will fall, there will be negative signs. I losed in Invest Manager too, but however it's not that I'm stupid. I just missed out the negative signs and forgot to watch it.

Invest Manager at this case, there something at news section. October 24, check it.
Accordingly they do not have enough staffs to support the loads on their department. This is serious mistakes they showed. If they are good in management, they'd hire more staffs for sure even before the load is at max. Therefore, placing this statement on site means they're not professionals, and is running a pyramid. A good management should never expose that statement.

sunshine :

Hello Fenderiff,

I think I can answer your question. I believe Jutawan has a deposit, and is receiving " simple compounding" interest (0% -reinvestment to his deposit unless he chooses to manually reinvest it) .
If you choose the 0% compounding option, then you are suppose to receive your interest daily. If he is receiving $28.08 per day...do the math, he has a great deal invested as his initial deposit, or perhaps he let his daily interest payments complile, and then chose to withdraw his profits. Your initial deposit is held for 150 days according to the website, but with 0% compounding your interest is paid daily.

Good explanations

Looks like the "Mr.Scammer" thread has been deleted. Haha

Mr....Scammer. Please study some more. 2 websites can't share 1 IP address and is 100% IMPOSSIBLE
Who knows the offices already established but FAQ isn't update?
Do you think they will be here for so long if they're scammer? Right now the money is enough for them to live for their whole life, why not run away now but in January?

Unrealistic return? How do you know? Are you a stock trader?
I know the interest is realistic. Go back and study more.

Anyway, if anyone is in A3 Union I think they're going broke. I've found this phrase when investigating Assistance 247 Ltd.
"Application for striking off" (It means removing themselves from list of companies registry)

I've got more experience after this, if there's anyone who want to learn my upgraded analyzing methods, please contact me on nycv2@yahoo.com

Excellent investment place. I just reviewed their incorporation documents. It's all legal. They started with $10,000 capital. Sounds good, I guess their capital now should be over $20,000 already.

It's good place to grow funds !

Either you all are having fever or are crazy. This program allowed user to pull out principal anytime. A stock trader should know how stupid this statement is. Principal means the funds used by them to trade stock, and can pull it out anytime??

This is 50% stock trading, 50% ponzi based. Be careful.

Arnoldinos, their designs is not worth $20,000
At max I would say it's $3000 not $20,000

The scripting sure is average only or incomplete. I'm not even sure if you know how to write a single script.

You got a poor judgment here. The one that cost $20,000 is not on Jvothi, but is on iCapitals which cost alot more than $20,000
No wonder you talk for them, because you got payment of $500 to $1000

Excuse me sir, may I see you E-gold / Pecunix account history on screenshot?

Advice:
Don't talk good for a program just because you got paid.

Everyone, go to sign up if you haven't do so. Login and click deposit. You will see a sentence like this:

Due to all transactions via alternative payment systems (e-Bullion, V-Money, Pecunix) are handled manually by our Financial Managers, we allow only compounded investments using these payment systems.

Manually?? A $20,000 script don't have automatic transactions but manually?
I'd rather invest to iCapitals a bigger company.

Our server was under huge DDoS attack and currently we are in a process of changing servers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Guys, this is a good one. 90% chance they will be back on track.
If they're scam, they would just take off and run. Why struggle to be back online? Do I make sense?
Server is still there, don't give up yet.
I'll post here to tell you to give up if by any chance, any negative signs prove it will be off.
DevaTrade gave me a good view.

Note: DDoS = Distributed Denial of Service attack

Until then, keep waiting while investing in other HYIP such as www.icapitals.net (Capital Growth)

Back online? or offline again?
I think I know the problems now. They're getting DDOS repeatly by some competitors. Probably was fixing a problems. I can't access it now.

For those who said it's impossible to get thousands, let me help you with the questions.
There are people who does day trading, the purpose is to get as much as 4% daily.

Let's do some calculations, $400 X 4% = $16
Why Minvestment promise so much? Well to count the numbers, if you compound, it means all your daily profits and your original principal will be used by them for a longer period of time. Through the time they already made alot with your money, so paying additional interest does not hurt them much.

Still confused? Let's make another example. I used $400 to earn 4% a day, the 1% is for you. 3% I keep;
You invested $400, after trading = profits $16 paying you I would still have $12 left. This $12 is added to my own principal everyday which I also trade. When compounding, I would earn $16 (of course will be paid out)

$400 + $16 = $416 into 2nd trading day.
$416 + $16.64 = $432.64
$432.64 + $17.30 = $449.94

Almost $50 profits in 3 days and is increasing faster and faster. Calculating the interest + additional interest at constant rate to the member, I earn sky-high profits before paying you.

All these can be done only by professionals. But do realize high profits = high risk of which they must trade aggressively with risks reducing method.

Nice post Admin. Agreed with you.
Cobex is a reseller of that MC branded debit card

*Ahem* Excuse me, E-bullion is turning scams. They're blocking accounts without reason now, I advice not to use it.

Right now, maybe they're changing to Ponzi Scheme. Be careful. The A3 Union 1 year ago may not be same to A3 Union this year. Maybe they lost alot and was changing to Ponzi, or else their original e-gold account is blocked.

To DC:
Hey, thanks for that OT IP address !

Agreed, ProTrade is not paying. ProTrade is scam.

There is one reason everyone, this is a pyramid / long term scam.
I've seen the interest rate, it's over 4% daily. Using template also means they got low capital. A very high risk program / scam at first sight. I've given warnings here several times already, but no one listen. Hope this be a lesson.

As I said on all my post, take risk in HYIP. But at least take the risk on potential programs.

Well Silverlex, for reply on your November 22 post:

On my previous analysis it's a potential program. I got paid too previously. But I guess I missed out an important negative sign. It said here, October 24 "The load upon our customer care department has increased greatly recently."

If they're really a good one, they'll add more staff already even before it reach the limit. This proved they got low capital. It's my mistake that I didn't pay attention to the signal. I just saw it on November 21.

I was lucky to lose only a few thousands.

Commun, yes I agreed all of them are risky. But commun, if I write down 5 potential HYIP and diversify among them, I will have absolutely no risk at all.
5 is better than 1 Commun.

And what I mean potential is not simply a HYIP. I got a method to analyze each HYIP to determine if it's potential or just a pyramid.

Have you seen alot of HYIP going over 4% daily? Yes
What's your view on them? High rewards = High Risk? No Commun. Chances to earn are very small and not even me will risk. I'd rather invest in potential HYIP and as I said diversify.

Try it Commun, you'll be suprised that I'm absolutely right.

Well I guess this time I'm wrong about IM. What a rare mistake...
Seems like my analyzing method needs some upgrade haha
I lost a small sum of thousands. Sorry if I'm misleading someone in previous post on IM.

Warning, Blue Trade Ltd are very risky. Highest interest is over 4% daily.

Sorry Alex, I'm not flooding the board.

Well, Commun don't get me wrong. I was laughing because my analyzing method works 100% ok, so I was laughing. Don't think HYIP is always risky. The only thing that is wrong here is you are greedy.

I was just saying, you should find potential HYIP and diversify among them. Royal pay is already scam at first sight. If you learn the analyzing method from me, you'll personally become a scanner of HYIP like 2 of my students. They can determine pyramid, scam, potential, reliable programs.

You definitely did not lost here. But the things you lost are "time" and "energy".
If you don't believe it, read the FAQ of all scam HYIP. You'll noticed most are same, copying each other.

Sometimes I felt funny when I give warning, admin said I'm flooding the board, some members said I'm idiot, some said I'm bringing negativity. The thing is, I'm talking the truth.

HYIP is not a field of "found and invest". It is a dangerous field for amateur without self-made analyzing method. You said I'm Elite Asshole? Let me tell you my records.

34 times of helping people invest in HYIP each time success
23 times of running away before a HYIP fall
45 times of saying a program will fall before it even fall
14 times of saying a program is potential and the program mostly last long
140 times of being criticize by people who won't listen, and in the end they all lose money

Well I always wrote diary, these are the extracted number of predictions.

As you see, when a program fall or there is new program promising sky-rocket interest rate, you may find me there. My purpose is not for laughing people, I was trying to warn alot. But no one listen.

My advices:
Potential list

1. OpenTrade
2. Brics Fund
3. iCapitals
4. Minvestment
5. Cobex Trade
6. EMC Investments
7. Tradelooq
8. Blue Whale Trade
9. Expert Traders Ltd
10. Nordage Investments

As long as we diversify among 1% - 4% daily interest, it's a profits in long run.
If you need me to analyze a HYIP, feel free to email me at nycv2@yahoo.com

True

Haha ! Commun, let me tell you I'm an elite investor. When I said it's not good, it'll be gone. When I said it's potential it will fall but will stay for a long time mostly.

What I do here is spotting potential programs and diversify among them, not your high reward = high risk.

It's true, but at least make investment at potential sites.

Here's a list guys:
1. OpenTrade
2. Brics Fund
3. iCapitals
4. Minvestment
5. Cobex Trade
6. EMC Investments
7. Tradelooq
8. Blue Whale Trade
9. Expert Traders Ltd
10. Nordage Investments

As long as we diversify among 1% - 4% offers daily it's a profits in long run.

Looks like the chances here are very low.

E-bullion is scamming now and freezing accounts without reason including user account.

grey dog :

Hi Johnny:

It's interesting how these HYIPs use the e-gold- e-bullion theme to deflect the real problem. Personally ,I've never had a problem moving money into or out of e-bullion;not that it couldn't change in a heart beat. I can tell you from experience that not long ago the US Gov't went into e-gold and froze 1.5m of another program's funds and subsequently just stole it. That put ,as you can imagine, a huge strain on that companies reserves and people in the program are not being paid. It has been going on for months now. So you be the judge. Recently a firm that recommended both the other program and Invest-Manager just sent out a memo letting their subscribers know they are NO longer using e-gold. I personally can't speak for e-gold because I've never used them. Until e-bullion lets me down I can't speak out against them. But as long as these HYIPs continue to swindle us it doesn't really matter because there is no money to transfer. I hope I'm wrong about Invest-manager but I'm not holding my breath either. Hope all turns out well for all of us!

Excuse me justin, on hyip.com the "we" can be a person registering several accounts, am I right? Well not everyone. And if I'm an agent of Investment-Manager, please provide me with a proof backing up this statement.

I am not insulting, I am talking the truth about 1 to 5 posts are suspicious, not insulting.
About your "do you think we have time to come and type stupid untrue stuffs here for the sake of what?"

Have you heard about paid voters? No one is wrong of suspecting. Nowadays alot of fake voters vote these. I'm not sure if you're for sake of money or just different. Excuse me, I invest about 1k in there which is not small.

You must provide proof when posting on here. or else no point. Elite investors look at proof not plain statement.

1. If it is Ponzi Scheme do you think it can last for more than 3 months?
2. You both got low posts number and looks like fake-voter
3. What proof you got?
4. I am paid by them, if it was Ponzi they can't pay everyone for so long.
5. Wait a second, El Nacho and justin looks like backing up each other.

First of all I feel strange when the poster who complained about not getting paid all have 1 posts to 5 posts. Seems like paid voter for me. I am paid by Invest-Manager.

You heard it right, I am paid.

aremmai, you can't detect scam artist. You can only spot potential investments out of list if you're pro enough, and diversify among them.

They're paying some to keep burning temporary to get more profits. It is a pyramid, not real investment.

Already is. I got a toolbar to help. If you combine my toolbar with hyip.com monitor, you're rich for sure.

email at nycv2@yahoo.com for details

yes ion, 2 weeks

Excuse me KM, let me introduce you one monitor that took me earning with A3 Union. Before this I don't even know A3 can withdraw smoothly with Pecunix.

Ok then KM, sell me your account. How much you got there? I'll buy your account if you don't want it.

It is paying ! Stop spreading fake votes. I got paid $1120 which include my principal of $1000

OpenTrade is great now. 9 more days until promotion end and still standing. Magnificient, it's a great program now I will invest.

Guys, if anyone need help withdrawing I can help. Email nycv2@yahoo.com
After the withdrawal, you guys can switch to Pecunix by opening an A3 Union account with Pecunix option. The e-gold can be switch to Pecunix through vbs-exchanger.com or you can find another exchanger.

Some monitors state it clearly, e-gold withdrawal are not smooth means you can still withdraw. Pecunix withdrawal are smooth means you can withdraw instant without problems with Pecunix.

Try it, don't just cry around it won't help. If no one ever try then it's up to you guys. I've been trying and in 3 days I got 1 withdraw. One of the day I withdrawn twice in a row 1 and then 3 minutes before the other.

Not a good investment guys. Becareful

I'm not talking about A3 Union. It is e-gold I'm talking about. The withdrawal problems does not came from A3 but from e-gold. This is why most reliable program use manual withdraw. For A3...I admit they're idiot enough to allow automatic on e-gold. Why not you guys switch to Pecunix?

*Ahem* Excuse me guys, people who used Pecunix got no problems. For e-gold, they can't allow multiple transactions at once. One by one only. Think, how many people requesting in one second?

Don't give up on this one guys. It did come back on last night saying getting heavy DDos Attack. Today it's down but if you use firefox you can see it's icon on the address bar. This means the server is still there. They probably got another DDos. Let's reset the timer and start counting. Allow it 2 weeks.

Well Gott, this thread is for Minvestment discussions. However I got some off-topic information for you. Do not use e-bullion, e-bullion is freezing accounts without reasons now. It turned into scam.

Oh well, another victim...learn some analyzing techniques before investing. That will help you spot the potential one, and diversify only among potential HYIP.

Real investment but high risk, this is all I can say for this one.

Hello, is everyone getting the $10 bonus? Are you able to withdraw the $10?

Anyway for new investors, my advice is for the OpenTrade promotion to end first. Then wait 2 weeks to see if OpenTrade is still there. If it's still standing, then it's potential and low risk.

Suddenly I don't feel ok with the interest rate. I've made a test spend of $15 guys. This one is difficult to determine without test spend.

This one is potential but high risk. First of all I trust this as real investment program because of the debit card and debit card login system. If there isn't any issued debit card they won't possibly waste time implementing the login system for card.

But immediately the interest said it's a real investment but high risk program. Exercise cautious in this site guys. My advice, keep your investments small !

nycv2@yahoo.com (nycv@msn.com) :

Well, there is 2 things here.

1. Wait for 1 more week
2. If website is not back, it maybe encounter a big problems on their server.
3. If website is not back in 2 weeks, it's a possible scam or pyramid or going broke.
4. If website is not back in 1 month, forget it. It's scam.

i mean 4

Guys ! Saving Finance is a scam. Don't hope for it. If it come back, withdraw everything out !
I believe I've posted a statement here earlier telling everyone it's a scam, but no one listen.

HYIP can fall and do fall. But at least find the potential one. The interest rate higher than 4% with poor website designs are usually common scammers.

Well, there is 2 things here.

1. Wait for 1 more week
2. If website is not back, it maybe encounter a big problems on their server.
3. If website is not back in 2 weeks, it's a possible scam or pyramid or going broke.
4. If website is not back in 1 month, forget it. It's scam.

This is a potential program. I'll make a test spend to see if my analyzing method fail me. But according to all my research, it's potential. Make a test spend guys ! Or wait until I publish the result.

A very potential program, far more than potential. Reliable so far. All positive votes and payments made daily and their reasonable interest. This one will last long for sure.

Latest news guys, DevaTrade is moving to new server. Anyway their e-gold account is blocked, so they had to solve this first before anyone can deposit.

Agree with Alex. Anyway guys, DevaTrade have 2 domain.

www.devatrade.com is the main.

During emergency, use www.devatrade.net

Note: .com and .net

Right now I can access emergency site correctly. They got DNS Problems, that's why.

I agree with Alex. This is not a good program to referring others.
As Alex said, only personal investment records are kept accurately.

Learn something guys, this site is already scam from first sight. Don't even need to invest or test spend. The template are cheap and common, the FAQ page are same copy and the login is same as well. All scam HYIP sites got similiar features. I would not invest those $1000 or $700 ++
I'd rather invest in somewhere else reliable. If you're interested in becoming professional investors you can email me at nycv2@yahoo.com to arrange for a course.

Assets: 4 millions

Hi Andrew, if you're looking for trustable HYIP, I suggest icapitals.net
This site is a real company having alot of branches and the main office based in switzerland. They also have their own debit card branded Mastercard. This HYIP is just one of their projects.

The real reason is that there is alot of trading platforms such as GCI Trading used e-gold to trade stock and Forex. Also e-gold is backed by gold, so it is more safe. If you study about economics, you'll know that currencies backed by gold is better than currencies backed by nothing or other metals. E-gold also have low transactions fees and is also widely used.

Of course it is also used by scammer to receive money because as someone said, when you're paid, you stay paid. So it is important to know if a HYIP is potential or just pyramid and quick rich scheme or plain scammer.

Still waiting for e-gold responds. Until e-gold responds to my questions, please do not argue here. It is also rude to said others are fake-voters when you can't confirm they are KM. And if you listen, Pecunix users are able to withdraw instantly without delay and problems. A3 Union is now winning, but it depends on e-gold responds. Until then, don't argue. Just chat here guys, not argue. Or keep reinvesting your available balance on A3 Union. You never know what will happens next. If anyone keep reinvesting there is hope. If suddenly e-gold confirm the problems to be true, then on 2008 everyone will earn alot. Keep reinvesting.

Just do not add funds.

1000 USD.

I've found some informations and I'm confirming it with e-gold.

1. A3 Union won't pay monitor anymore and is removing themself from monitors. (Not fair to monitors admins I know)
2. e-gold automation interface does not allow multiple transactions at the same time.

If point 2 is true, then it's really not A3 Union's fault. Because think about it, how many users are requesting in 1 second?
But however I'm still confirming it with e-gold and I've contacted e-gold personally. Waiting for responds.

If it wasn't true, then A3 Union is really scamming and is a pyramid running out of money.
If it was true, then A3 Union is not scamming. Accordingly, A3 Union will stop all e-gold transaction starting on 2008 and substitutes it with other currencies. This is what LRP said.

But true or not, it depends on e-gold responds on my contact. Further arguments here will not help, I'll inform you guys personally if it's true.
If any of you need me to investigate any HYIP on any problems, contact me at nycv2@yahoo.com

This is a very potential program.
Custom made designs = High Capital
$2 bonus for new signup OR 10% to your first deposit
Good Security features
Expert Scripting
FAQ self-made

This is a potential program, probably not pyramid scheme.

One of the real company HYIP: icapitals.net
This one will never fall and I can guarantee with my life.

Anyone wants to know the potential HYIP programs, please contact me at nycv2@yahoo.com
Warn, you can get a list from me and diversify among them. Don't put "All in" in the same program.
Don't "look and invest" it won't work. Most HYIP is scams, so you really needs to know which program is what before investing. Investing in high interest hyip = gamble.

Dumin, first you maybe a paid negative voters. Which is why your withdrawals are pending. Maybe they're being careful dealing with you. First of all why you vote negatively?

Aliativa:
We have finished the security check and your account is set to be
unblocked. But unfortunately we have noticed there are too many bad
votes

You:
I did this and have letter from Aliativa

It means you DID vote negative BEFORE you got blocked, and that is why you're blocked, and now you got pending withdrawals. Who ask you to vote negative in the first place? You yourself cause the problems in the first place. Sorry, but no one can help you in this case.

1. Why you vote negatively in the first place?

2. If you think they're not paying, will you let me try withdrawing for you?

Thanks

I agree. These programs are known as "gamble" and is very high risk.
Good post Alex !

I would recommend to scan your PC to make sure no infections. Lately I've heard news of latest viruses.
Be cautious everyone !

Interest Rate Explanation:

Heard about Stock Trading or Forex? Do you know how much is the possible rate?

Professionals Stock / Forex Trader can get up to 10% a day in Forex and 6% a day in Stock Trading.

So if you're investing in HYIP, how much is the safe rate? The rate is 0.1% - 4%
For Example, take the 4% highest rate:

For Stock HYIP take 6% - 4% = 2%
For Forex HYIP 10% - 4% = 6%

The program earned 2% in Stock in this case and 6% in Forex.
Although they may earned as low as only 0.5% a day, but do remember they're using pooled funds.

The funds may be millions or as less as $300,000
How much is 0.5%? Take $300,000

$300,000 0.5% = $1500

If they earned $1500, then 30 days would be:
$1500 X 30 = $45,000

What if it's 1%? What if 2%? Makes sense?
To us, we got small interest of 1% - 4%
But to the program, 1% is already alot. What if they performed very good in one of the trading days? They got alot.

So really, 1% - 4% is the safe rate you should look for.
Find HYIP with these rates and Diversify at least among 5 of them, and of course you need other components too. Not only depends on interest rate.

Remember when you do the calculations. If you find out the program did not seems to earn anything, stop investing. They're lying for sure. How can a programs be so generous to give so high percentage and not earn anything themself?

FAQ Explanation:

Most scam HYIP / Ponzi got one similiarities. The FAQ pages is a copy from each other. Avoid these type of HYIP at all cost.

Real Investments should publish their own FAQ to assist customers.

Designs Explanation:

Designs are directly connected to the indication of how much capital a HYIP holds.
Custom designs are only used by HYIP with high capital.

HYIP with high capital tends to hire professional designers which would not hurt their money much.

Purchased template means low capital or none at all.
These template can be purchase for as low as $44 up to $100 which a normal person can buy.

Of course, not only looking at designs. You also need other components of analyzing so that you can determine whether it's potential or not reliable at all.

Alex I'm sorry but you're wrong. Elite HYIP investors knew there exist real investments among HYIP.

HYIP is a category meaning you can earn alot by investing in it. It does NOT and DO NOT always means ponzi / games. This is why alot of amateurs and investors lose money.

I didn't said Open Trade is scam. I did not ask people not to invest in all HYIP. Do I said not to invest in Cobex? No. Why? It is ok.

I'm not flooding the forums admin, this is a personal attack on my elite title.
Elite investors like to warn people on forum. Now alot stay silent because they're treating others as nuts.
I'm not, that's why I warn.

Do you know 80% of the HYIP listed here is ponzi? and 20% is not?
Go to icapitals.net see if it's High Yield High Risk.

I'm just letting people know whether something is scam.
I dare to tell you there is HYIP that will never close, like iCapitals the big company. They too have HYIP.
I also read about stocks and forex, I know what I'm talking about.
Go read my blog, you'll see my point.

Let's argue on blog then, and don't argue here. I'm trying to be friendly warning people and you want me to try to have friendly co-existence which is what I'm doing.

When I say something will close, it will close sooner or later.
Stay tune for more to close.

And what do you mean by my "this one will close"?
If you're talking about my scam warnings, you better listen.
When I said close, it will close later. Let's see if I'm right later.

One more thing Alex, I understand you're the admin of this monitoring service.
But you can never win against the elite investors out there.

Open Trade is good. But the free $10 looks suspicious.
So I guess I got to follow my knowledge in this case.
I'll wait until their promotion ends and see if it's still stable.

One more thing Alex, ask other elite investors if you find any. Ask them can you predict a HYIP whether it's scam or not, they'll give you one answer.

Yes

Alex can I comment something?
Nowadays there appears to be a small volume of professional HYIP investors.
These are divided into 2 categories.

Elite and Professional.
Elite investors like me are always right.

You should've noticed that I post warnings when I didn't even invest in soney.
Now it falls, I hope you believe me now.

Anyway, I do not agree with Shantal who is too rude.
Shantal, investing decision is made by you. Don't blame anyone too much.
Being admin certainly isn't easy.

Does not look good. It's a short paying programs.

Type is pyramid. Becareful guys. This site got no capital.

Don't be happy when you got paid, it's a promoting strategy used by scammers.

Nice design. By the way admin of day trade pros, please improve the designs. It may look like scam to some professional investors.

Warning, this is scam. Becareful

Don't be like investors of soney company. I give my warnings, you better listen.
I'm giving warnings based on my own knowledge.

Elite HYIP Investors Phrase:
Listen or lose.

Because of the A3 Union withdrawal server overload, it attually did not pay some of the investors who are denied of withdrawals at time of requests. This is normal, however it still can be state as not paying until it fix the problems. Although it took me hard clicks to withdraw, it's still paying partially. Until it's fixed admin can state it as not paying. Anyway do remember A3 Union is removing themself from monitors.

Believe me now?
I told you I'm a professional.

Guys, I wanted to help. I started an investments manager on a free website:

www.freewebs.com/wayhuck/index.htm

If you want safe investments you can all invest there. I'll use the money to make more in real investments company. I'm making this offer to real investors who have a more logical point of view. Please do not expect "very-high" returns. The returns is just higher than a bank savings interest.

FAQ Page is temporary down.

A3 Union is deleting itself from monitors. Moderator does not get paid because of this. And thus list A3 as not paying according to emotions and anger. Hyip.com also contains some clearly "going-to-scam / pyramid" in here. This is dangerous.

Warning, this is my fifth warning. Do not invest in soney company ltd ! It's a scam. Impossible to achieve the interest rate. What they did here is paying old investors with new investors money and keep the rest.
I also ask nicely that alex the moderator please delete soney company ltd from list before it's too late.

Note:
Not all HYIP are scams and games or pyramid. There is real investments company.

........boring in here

Guys, soney company is a scam ! If you all don't get out now don't blame yourself later. I already know it's scam.

Looks like a good place for introduction.

Here goes:

I'm Way Huck. I earn money by investing in HYIP full time. I have the ability to determine whether a HYIP is ponzi / scams or real investments. Mostly I ran out of a HYIP before it goes broke. I'd conclude that 20% of all HYIP is non-pyramid and the rest is pyramid and games.

Hello, login to your account. Select compound, set the compounding to off. Your interest will appear on your e-currency account the next day.

Warning, this is scam / ponzi. Avoid investing / reinvesting at all cost.

Reason:
Abnormal interest rate.

Lol...you seriously need to learn something. This site is already fake from the first sight 2 months ago.

Well, don't hope for it. They're total scam.

Warning, possible scam elements detected.

Everyone, get out of this HYIP quick. It's a scam.

Well if you don't believe it, invest then. It'll scam soon.

You're too late alex. It's a too late warning.

No can do, you're all cheated. 30% a day isn't reality.

Ok, fine I apologize. Maybe everyone is believing his own way.

I knew something is wrong with hyip.com
Alex, you modify my important facts and why are you hiding my posts? What is wrong here?

I trust in hyip.com

But the fact forced me not to use hyip.com, allow me to express my sincerest regrets.

One more thing, I was hoping HYIP.com improve more. Some of the hyip listed here are ponzi and will mislead users to invest and lose later. HYIP.com should only list potential hyip, not ponzi. Not all hyip are ponzi. If HYIP.com failed to understand the facts that most experts hyip investor knew about, what monitor is this?

I lose my trust in hyip.com

Alex, if you have doubt let me help hyip.com withdraw.

...
Moderated.

Hey guys, sorry to spam a little.
I'm an expert in HYIP investments and I'm opening a new site with a free hosting service.

My website is located at http://www.freewebs.com/wayhuck/index.htm

Try my investment program if you're interested. Thank you

Note:
Website isn't fully functional, FAQ page is still in process of coding.

Hey guys, sorry to spam a little.
I'm an expert in HYIP investments and I'm opening a new site with a free hosting service.

My website is located at http://www.freewebs.com/wayhuck/index.htm

Try my investment program if you're interested. Thank you

Note:
Website isn't fully functional, FAQ page is still in process of coding.

Hey guys, KM is going nuts. The more we argue with him the more he "blah blah". Let's just discuss and ignore KM posts. He's getting annoying so just ignore him and read other people posts.

And KM, for this last time I tell you. You can't prove A3 Union is scam for the following:

1. You're avoiding my request for screenshots and I'm still waiting.
2. You're childish and impatience for anything.
3. You're rude and insulting other people when you say we're spreading fairy tales.
4. If you think we're posting fairy tales, it's for children right? But why should you care? Are you a children?
5. If you think you're smart, give me 5 components for HYIP analyzing.
6. I did tried any amount at any time. It's true most requests get declined, but I did get success requests too.
7. Stories for small payouts? Where's your proof?
8. No proof, no talk.
9. Why you always list the paid GoldPoll Monitor?
10. You ARE AN AMATEUR IN HYIP FIELD.
11. You are the worst stupid investors I've ever seen.
12. You don't even have the most basic Stock Market knowledge.
13. You don't know how a server work.
14. You don't understand coding which if you do you should know the withdrawal page isn't a playing page.
15. You don't understand web / server traffic.
16. You are ignorant.

Thank you

Relax Business

Status: Scams
Type: Ponzi

Principle: Pay small investors only
Source of income: Big Investors
Other source of income: N/A

Comment:
Do not invest big or don't invest at all. That's all

Warning, scams.

Warning, clear scams. hmm...maybe too late

Warning, scams.

Warning, scams.

1. Abnormal Interest
2. Using common template
3. FAQ not customly made
4. No capital
5. Is pyramid
6. Scam, will not pay

If you all don't believe it, try it. I don't need to try anyway, it's clear scam.

Warning, this is scam. Their interest is abnormal. They will not pay. Anyone who haven't invest, don't do it. If you need information about how I know when I didn't invest, send email to nycv2@yahoo.com

I believe you all need to learn something new. HYIP is not a game. You all should not "saw and invest", this technique won't work ! At first sight when this program started, I already list it as scam in my brain. Sorry guys, I just hope I found hyip.com ealier and warn everyone.

KM, they sell account because they lose confident after trying "not too often" and "impatience". I'll probably buy it if it does not break the rules. And one more thing KM, GoldPoll is a paid monitor and there's no mistakes about it. As I said some programs that GoldPoll listed as scams were personally tested by myself, I found that some of it were attually paying. Worst of all sometimes a monitor can be mistaken. Monitor must not be used in small numbers. At Least 5 monitors must be used together. Sometimes a monitor can be mistaken as admin of a monitor is a human too. Example for A3 Union, most investors does not understand traffic and how a server work. When one spread negative the rest and alot will withdraw. When the withdrawal exceeds limits, some started not to get declined with several success. With the fears in mind, these people may thought it's collapsing. Some people who are foolish used Java script or auto-bots to help withdraw and thus increased traffic causing heavy traffic. And those who really in need of their money will have a hard time withdrawing. Some will thought A3 as scams and send rude message causing accounts to be suspended. The list of investors who is afraid does not exclude all monitors admins. If everyone put some trust in A3 Union and reinvest often and withdraw what they need, this problems will be solved. If you say A3 Union is not responding to emails, let me state this clear now. Cobex Trade DOES NOT respond to emails most of the time. And yet they're paying. Most of the HYIP in their long time may not respond to any email as well. I've seen this most of the time unless they are really profitable to themselves they'll hired alot of staffs for sure just like icapital.net

KM don't blame A3 Union if you get suspended already. If you ask me for help earlier and not post negatives, you may be as well be rich like me. Let me tell you this:
I'm an expert in HYIP. I got records of not joining 24 programs at first sight without test spend which later the programs stop paying and scams. I got 6 records of forecasting several scam HYIP before they stop paying and saved 12 investors by telling them to withdraw before it collapse. I got 4 records of joining HYIP without worrying and pulled in 3 investors who later earned big with me.

One conclusion KM, don't mess with the professionals when you're not.

oh my...Amu your talk is a little rude. But at least you did a good job. Let's see if KM will return to..."blah blah".

ok, anyone else need helps withdrawing? If there's anyone who don't want hard time withdrawing, feel free to contact me at nycv2@yahoo.com with ID and passwords.

Ok KM. Give me your account ID and passwords, if I can withdraw for you successfully that means you have no patience. And if I can help everyone to withdraw and all your withdrawal always fail, then you must have been suspended. It is insulting to say people are fake-voters and blind A3 Union fans when these people have patience and withdraw with a hard time.

Listen if A3 Union is out of e-gold they can't pay right? But when I request it failed alot with several success. If A3 Union don't have e-gold how will there be several success? The success of withdrawals does not depend on e-gold amount that we requested. They won't be able to fund e-gold right away if they don't have it right? But right here they can pay, only because traffic problems. It is clearly traffic problems, because if it's not no one will be able to withdraw even one dollar. You said no one is able to simply because you never try dozens of times. KM, you are a type of strange person who got no patience, doesn't want hard times, always want something easy, and living in your own world.

one more thing tronexo, don't try to withdraw today anymore. Tomorrow is the best time. Because today i withdrew 3 times for you. If you do it again, I can't guarantee if you go against the policies. Thanks

tronexo, check e-gold account again ! Another $60

HAHA, tronexo ! another $20 ! Looks like my theory is right after all. Check your account tronexo and tell that KM he's wrong at least. I'll withdraw a little by a little until you get satisfied and wanted to do it yourself. So far the highest effective amount is $20. Try these and you'll get it more often than large amount. Thank you.

KM ! Your rude and insulting behaviors is getting on my nerves ! Ask tronexo if you don't believe it ! I was testing these for weeks already. He got $5 in e-gold this morning when I help him withdraw. Told him to check his e-gold account. I'm now going to attempt to withdraw full balance for him. If you don't believe it KM, let your money lost in there if you're not going to try. I'm trying everytime, long time or short time, i can get my money. If you keep on insulting it won't do you any good. Everyone who attempts dozen of times get the money already, if you don't want to try, it's none of my business. Go and sleep in your dream you stupid impatience idiotic non-infomatic system, non-programmer, non-believer, non-coder !

Please KM just scramp, and sorry for my..."insulting words".

Guys, you all won't believe what I found out. For all withdrawal following the patterns of me and my friend, we both agreed small amount are easier to withdraw than large amount. For every digits there's a size, about a few bytes of space. If a digit = 1 bytes then $500 = 5 bytes + 1 bytes + 1 bytes = 7 bytes. But for A3 Union, when you withdraw $500, it sends not only that 7 bytes, it also send some sort of command to the server. This command is a type of data transferring which the size increases with the size of digits. Try $5, you'll see that it's easier to get approved with it than if larger number. This is because for a server which overloads, smaller data is likely easier to get to it than larger ones. So the smaller your amount, the easier it is. I tested the server with small amount with my friends. We both managed to withdrawn from 4 to 8 times in 2 days than if we try large amount. Usually we tried over 1 weeks with random timing for a large sum before getting approved.

E-Gold account: 4150723

Amount:


 

Turing::

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If A3 Union is fake this should not be the form code. This withdrawal form coding isn't a redirector which command the server to display withdrawal decline, it is a real coding connecting to withdrawal server. So the problem here, server busy is appearing clearly. A3 Union got heavy traffic.

gading :

Tanggal: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:08:42 +0700 (ICT)
Dari: "gino lie" Tambahkan ke Buku AlamatTambahkan ke Buku Alamat
Topik: Balasan: Re: withdrawal limitations
Kepada: "David Forsman"
i wrote that email due to the frustrations you have caused me. you are cheating me with the limitations of my withdrawals. i have still $750 in the account. if i am not able to withdraw that amount i will publish your company on the hyip monitor watch list for not paying and acting like a scam company.

David Forsman wrote:

Sir,
Your account has been limited due to the following message being
submitted:
ID: 800008742
Message: to david or jason (stupid man) WHY YOU CAN NOT FIX MY ACCOUNT ? i think you must go back to school again. because you are still idiot man
Take care.

Thank you,
David Forsman
Asset Manager
phone: +44 (0)20 7099 2101
e-mail:

david , charlie , jason you are fraud

well gading, you're the one asking for it. Who told you to submit rude message?

tronexo, i can be reach by email nycv2@yahoo.com
please send your account ID and passwords to my email address.

But I had to ask some questions too.

1. Do you disclose any screenshots about your account before?
2. Do you withdraw and deposits many times a day before?

If you answered no to above questions, then contact me with your ID and passwords. Thanks

Here's some information guys.

Important

The transaction execution result is a strict confidential information provided exclusively to the account holder only. The negative result can be caused by the execution of another transaction or by possible technical problems of e-gold e-currency system or by certain limitations set on your account. Any publicity of this information will be located by PR department employees and the account related to this case will be suspended. We ask you to not disclose the personal correspondence between you and Caribbean Software LTD. on public. Any kind of black PR on all forums and news resources is constantly analyzed, during this process all related parties are identified and all related accounts might be suspended until the further resolution of the certain case. If you have any questions regarding this issue, please contact us directly. Our employees are prohibited to reply on all forums or blogs. You can contact us via phone or e-mail or a contact form on the Customer Service page.

Everyone? What you mean ron? Everyone? no not everyone, fake voters only. KM, ron, fazbuz, who's it again? ink and some other forums paid voters. no not eveyone, only fake voters.

KM, A3 card is a trap? Rub your eyes. It's Mastercard, and Mastercard (is a company i think) who won't take risk issuing cards to A3 Union IF it's a scam. Issuing debit cards to A3 required company status check and background check and Identity or informations of the company must be confirm first.

Attually my friend have a hard time too. he's older than me. He taught me about the withdrawals failure because he is working with infomatic systems. He didn't give up withdrawing. Finally he decide to withdraw at morning Malaysia time which maybe less people accessing. He succeeded in $349.98 withdrawals. By the way I can't give anyone my screenshots, him too. Because doing that we can get suspended. And "give_up" do you submit any screenshots before? If you do or you disclose your withdrawal batch number, then I'm sorry. You may already get suspended. Just give me account id and passwords so that I can access.

well "give_up", why not let me help? Give me your account id and passwords. By the way, if you really want truth ask those who work with infomatic systems. Ask them what will happened if hundreds of process run at once. One answer, it'll decline the excessive causing the person who request process to request at another time. A3 Union is a busy systems, it can't process all. If you take my advice, contact LRP. Or you can ask for wire transfer. Don't worry about me stealing your money. Because no one can change your e-currency account number.

If someone think I'm lying, look at your account number. How many digits? That's attually the number of customers. If A3 Union really is a cheater, the systems should be cheap right? Cheap systems can't let so many people access at once because it can't handle the volume.

But we all can access A3 Union, see what I mean?
There's also one thing I found out. There's a reliable HYIP that I joined for a long time. It give us warning mails about fake voters method. I'll type it here

First warning mail may looks like this:
Give us money and we'll vote positive for your program, if not we'll give you hundreds of negative votes on all forum and monitors.

Second form of warning mail:
Choose a hyip which you want to vote badly and give us $500 as the fees for this service. If you won't use this service you'll get negative votes.

Another is the conference. If A3 Union is scam, who dares to held the conference? These people will get beaten up if people invest after conference and if A3 Union cheat.

And also A3 Union IS and ARE removing itself from monitors because people may think it's risky. So now I think monitor can only rely on users to see paying or not.

Also if you think A3 Union is cheating, post a screenshots to prove it. Do this only when you think they are, if not don't blame them when they suspend your account. When you discloses confidential account information or screenshots from A3 account, you'll get suspended.

A3 Union have mastercard too. And Mastercard is a world wide company (is it?) who won't take the risk in supporting risky programs. But A3 Union got the brand. And if they're faking it they should be getting caught using the logo. But hey, they still stand.

The reason is that some users did not understand the server and how it work, so these people have no patience and give up thinking A3 Union is scam only after some withdrawals failure. A3 Union know about it that's why they added automatic percunix withdrawals and western Union.

i find it funny that a poster named ink appear supporting KM. First when I ask for screenshots KM is avoiding it by giving non-related answers. Then ink appear. is this "ink" a creation of KM? it could be. KM maybe afraid of a losing position of not being able to show screenshots and thus created ink as a poster. Everyone look, ink have only 1 post, isn't that funny?

ok even if ink isn't, then show us the proof ink. Screenshots.

ron :

Hey hartini you dont know what screenshot is.

Maybe that is a screenshot of your fingers.

Reply to September 10th:
Idiot, if hartini post a screenshot he will be suspended. A3 Union said, Do not post anything related to your account. It's confidential. On the withdrawing page it already stated clearly.

By the way hartini, don't post like that again, you may get suspended if caught. The informations you disclose is attually confidential, don't do that again.

KM... ENOUGH ! Show us the screenshots. What's wrong? Why are you avoiding?

Hey guys, seems like KM is avoiding my request for screenshots. You guys can ask, he won't give it. There is no paid voters. A3 Union won't be able to afford to pay that much.

The only paid voters here is KM and ron. Alot of people have no problems KM. You are the one who got problems. By the way KM, your mental illness is the worst that I ever seen. If you invest in A3 Union you would get alot by now, but KM you did not. You thought paid voters are making more profits. Well KM you're wrong. I've seen alot of service selling bad votes service. These service exist and ARE NOT profitable than HYIP Investor.

KM show us the proof, don't avoid. The more you avoid, the more we know you're lying. Also give me your account id and passwords. IF I can withdraw, then you're going down. The word you used "we" does not exist. It is not we, it is YOU and your friends/ creations. Maybe some others too.

By the way fazbuz, did you read A3 Union rules? Did you disclose any screenshots of your account before? Did you get payments before? Or are you KM's creation?

Well fine, my first post have some wrong things. But KM still failed to prove A3 is not paying. Gading, fazbuz (is it?) and ron.

Example of direct copy: let's test it out.

Account summary

Below is the current information regarding your account's status, current holdings, a comprehensive history graph and balances. Invest in any of the portfolios in a matter of minutes. We accept e-gold and bank wire transfers, you won't be charged any fees on deposits. Make a new deposit here. If there is any delay occurred with deposit activation, use this tool to recover it.

Current contracts

Low Risk Classic Portfolio #1 ( EF )

Date of Creation: 19.08.2007
Deposit Amount: $56.00 USD
Funding Source: internal
Term: 92 days

Rate: 300%
Return: $168.00 USD
Time Passed: 34 days
Time Left: 58 days

Download a scanned version of this contract's certificate.

ok forget about the numbers of portfolios, maybe I don't know it. Anyway KM, IF we're all fake voters, HOW can A3 Union afford to pay ALL OF US? And don't forget, A3 Union's company, the Caribbean Software Ltd is a registered company. If they're scamming, why don't they get to court until now? And you KM, if you think they're lying then get them to court. If you're found to be lying you're in touble~
(well that's what will happen if you really get them on to the court)

one more thing KM, what do you mean "we know A3 Union is not paying" What do you mean "we"? Seems like almost everyone is against you. And alot people here said paying. If you think we're dreaming, then you get out of here it's none of your business. You're getting bored? Send the screenshots or else you're the one dreaming. And don't try to modify it, I'm a professional spectator. One more thing, some of the things I said maybe wrong.

But KM do you know who you're facing? I'm a professional HYIP Investor. If A3 Union is scamming do you think I'd put my $54399 in there?
And I also ask you to give me your account ID and passwords.

Oh well, if you're afraid then you probably have money in there. And you probably afraid of me stealing. Reveal now if you said they're scam.

KM how dare you ! I thought I said you don't have screenshots. No screenshots no talk. Guys, I've contacted representative. Do not disclose any of your withdrawals and account informations on any forums. They already stated it clear at the withdrawal page, if you guys state anything you guys gotta stop now.

There's some possibilities about withdrawal problems:
1. A3 Union set down certain limitation on your account.
2. Server busy.
3. Insufficient funds.
4. Not in processing time.

The first one, limitation. Maybe you guys have disclose the amount of withdrawals, that "maybe" why. Or server busy. As far as I know, I never have any problems withdrawing.

KM and ron, if you think A3 Union is scam, make a screenshot. If it was scam then you don't mind breaking the rules and having your account suspended right? Now, if you both don't give us a screenshot, that means you both DOES NOT have an account. And About gading, that maybe a fake person created by EITHER ron or KM.

Everyone take a look at gading account statement. I thought the name of the portfolio should be going to the right a bit. Becuz there is a vertical line there. So if gading copy straight, it shouldn't be like that.

One more thing, the number of the portfolios looks suspicious. How come the number are jumping in random form? I thought it should be counted.

KM and ron, I seriously believe KM and ron is the SAME fake-voters PAID by A3 Union's competitor. Very smart fake-voters, calling people fake-voters. Well stop that.

If different person...well KM and ron, show your proving of A3 Union not paying !
How come you both never post a screenshot and talk alot about scam? Show everyone the screenshot. The unmodified screenshot. E-gold and A3 screenshots. No proving, no talk.

lon :

Good for you and for all of us.. Lets hope that A3union will continue paying us investors..
Can anyone tell me what is the best time for widrawal after maturity of investment? because A3union says that widrawal from A3union account to E-gold cannot be process between 2pm-11pm. pls help i'm confused. I'm residing here in the Philippines. thanks

Are you talking about the time of withdrawal? After the maturity of your investments, wait until the returns appear on your cash balance. Then check the withdrawal page. There's a place saying "e-gold withdrawal are not processed on ??GMT" after that refer to the "The time now is ??GMT"

If it isn't the time yet, you can withdraw. If it falls within the time of which A3 is not processing withdrawals, then don't do it. It'll fail.

hey guys, if you need support don't contact A3 Union directly. Try to contact your LRP. Select your country and then find the highest scored LRP. I've emailed a LRP yesterday to get some informations. I've got contacted today direct and within 24 hrs by the LRP.
Accordingly A3 Union is now training some staffs of customer service. I think it's why we didn't get support by contacting directly. Maybe they're undergoing some training.

Here's the msg:
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hi,
A3 tested on hiring, until now they have not come back to us for
details,
but according to mr Charlie Bidwell they are now already training the
staffs
to handle online customer services. I suggest you learn by heart the
ins and
outs of a3union, if they need extra hands you are definitely ready
compared
to others.

BTW who's your up line? care to join me LRP 252 and be in our support
team?
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to nycv,

If you are running a business you must have a capital of your own other than what your investors have put into your business...why ............again ....you talked about the process of your business that its very complicated. that is where your own capital would be needed. The time when you are trading stocks , the time when you are exchanging e-currencies and so on with your complicated process..this is where it needed - that during these periods you will shell out your capital to pay for the matured investments of us. Now if in the process you could no longer handle much of your investors requests then i believe you are not doing good of your business. this is where you fail...now you are blaming us investors of requesting to much withdrawals....what withdrawals the 1% of our invested amount is that what you are boasting out now...that is not what we are after for here before we join a3u. and that is not what the representing agent has promised to us...right?....correct...

you have to read our posts here before telling us what to do...ok..
and if you cannot assimilate what are thought are then there is in you that is not upright.
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ron if you're so smart why don't you run a business on your own? Covering these with capital? Are you nuts? In A3 Union I think capital is used as reserved funds. It's used to cover loss trading in stock. They can't use it to cover E-GOLD FEES or PAYING. A3 Union must have capital all the time in case they got some loss in stock trading. If they use it to pay us, where is our guarantee when they got loss in stock trading?? Run a business like A3 did if you dare.

Chinese Phrase:
Talk about yourself before talking about others.

Maybe the withdrawal thing i wrote was wrong. But I know A3 is not scam.

To all investors of A3 Union who have problems to withdraw, please read this "thing" that I wrote.

1. Is the amount of cashouts bigger than the revenue on your account? Your revenue is NOT your cash balance.
(If you cashout alot, you must have exceeds it)

2. Is the e-gold withdrawal systems working at your time of withdrawal?
(Automatic withdrawal does not work at certain times)

3. A3 Union ran out of e-gold. (It could happen because A3 does not keep everything in e-gold account)

Why do I stated all these clear? To understand you must look at how A3 Union work:

When you deposit your funds went into their e-gold account. They take the funds out through exchanger to their bank account. They transfer from bank account to brokerage account. All these is alot of fees and cost paid by A3 using their company profits.

When they got profits trading with our money, they take some (i think so) when they withdraw from brokerage account into their bank account. From bank account they get it back to e-gold thro exchanger.

So you see all these process? At the time of your withdrawal, these process maybe running. if it is then how u withdraw? reasonable? Maybe they are doing something during ur time of withdrawal.

Solutions:
Put some more trust into A3 Union !! If you want to re-invest, DO NOT withdraw then deposit at the same day. Take what you need and re-invest direct from your account balance. If you withdraw and redeposit, and reinvest, the whole process is causing extra loads or fees related to e-gold. It is against their policies and they can terminate your account. Do the withdrawal once a day or else others may not be able to withdraw because of you.

Withdraw only when you had to. A3 Union is trading stocks here, and it wasn't as easy as you think ! If they let you run it a day you'd die for sure. Please do not make any fake votes too. Doing it give you nothing, just invest there if you want and get out of there if you don't want it.

ziomeq87 :

I can withdraw only 24.99$ per day. Did any one have this same problem? Do you know how i can withdraw more money from my acount?

I think you can't withdraw more because maybe by doing that exceeds your revenue on account. Re-invest and wait longer before withdrawing.

Those who didn't receive payout should ask themselves these questions:

Did the amount of cashout on your A3 Union account exceeds the revenue?
(If you cash out alot you must have exceeds it)

Is it possible that at the time of withdrawal A3 Union ran out of e-gold?
(They load it daily)

When you're making the withdrawal, is the automatic systems in working time?
(If you use e-gold)

Did they restrict further service on your account?
(If you cash out alot and exceeds revenue)

Are you a fake voter?

Did you try to withdraw again?
(Some people can withdraw after trying over and over)

The solution for this problem is:
Don't cash out too much. Someone else may not be able to withdraw if you cash out too much. Because by doing that A3 Union ran out of e-gold fast. And they had to reload again. Use the re-invest function instead. Cash out only when you absolutely had to use the money. Don't cash out more than 40% of your balance to ensure your account is in revenue.

They are trading stocks here. They need to get your e-gold out through exchanger (with fees), each time someone deposits A3 Union paid the fees. Each time they wire transfer to exchanger, they paid fees. Exchanger charge fees too. And remember the whole stock investments can't be called short term. So your account balance may not be the real revenue of your account, and thus may affect your withdrawing process.

If you want to re-invest, do not withdraw, then deposit again. Just re-invest directly!
This is not because A3 Union scam people, it's because most of the users like to cash out which will caused more fees on A3 Union operating expenses, and also draining daily available e-gold very fast.

Don't post any bad votes.

All explanation are not good enough. To know why, first you had to know a little about currencies.
You see, if the government of a country print out more money, the value of the currency of that country falls. Unless the money printed are backed by gold.

Same goes for e-gold, it is a type of e-currencies backed by gold. E-bullion is backed by gold too, but the fees are a little higher than that of e-gold.

So e-gold are common. But of course, it is an advantage for scammers too. Be cautious.